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Why I deleted my Facebook account

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Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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post #162

I stopped using Facebook for a variety of reasons years ago and I am starting to regret it. In my case it had a clear negative effect on my social life, since friendships are heavily based on repeated unplanned interactions and many of these now occur on the service. If you add to this the friction of contacting someone outside of the service (in a context where they are a clear minority), the slight difference build…

You say "friendships" but I don't believe that's the exact word. Real friendships will continue to survive and thrive, as they did before Facebook, as long as both parties keep trying. If a "friend" of mine won't invite me to a party because I don't have Facebook, he's not really my friend. It's as simple as that for me. Of course we probably differ on what we define as friendship, but I believe you'd agree that havi…

> friendships are heavily based on repeated unplanned interactions

I think this hits the nail on the head. 'Unplanned' is the keyword here. If it's a party it's likely your friend will invite you, but it's also very likely that you will miss out on some banter in the comment section of a pic they uploaded on FB because you were not around. This is not something deliberate—it's casual, it's unplanned, it's organic, and you will not be included in it if you are not on the platform.

I think a lot of people here on HN are parts of bubbles (for lack of a better word) whether their real life social circles are not very active on FB either. If that's the case, you can pretty much leave FB without it affecting you too much. But if your friends are active on FB, and you are the only one who is not, well it's your choice and that's perfectly fine, but it definitely has an effect.

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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I deleted my Facebook account recently ONLY because of how spammy the notification system is!

I didn't want many sources for my news feed so I unsubscribed to all of my hundreds of friends save a few. This redeemed my faith in the news feed, although I would have preferred to have just turned the whole feature off honestly.

The problem came when I stopped using Facebook often so I wouldn't have any notifications, at which point Facebook would arbitrarily fill my notifications with updates about random posts of random friends of mine (i.e. "John posted a picture! Mark updated his status!") to whom I was not in any way subscribed to or particularly interested in. Clearly, Facebook wanted to lure me back into their world by spamming my notifications, and there was no way to turn this behavior off.

This approach to UX is condescending and pathetic. No more Facebook for me.

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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post #190

The one thing keeping me on Facebook are events / RSVP. I don't know any good alternative. For example it's still missing in Diaspora: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/1359

I'm working on an alternative. I'll post a Show HN when I have my MVP ready!

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

#214

Oh God, my Facebook feed is way more interesting than the comments section on HN of a post about leaving Facebook. Are you all wearing your "I left Facebook" badge?

The back of my fridge is more interesting than this comment. Why am I replying to this comment then, rather than looking at the back of my fridge? Hmm...

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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post #190

The one thing keeping me on Facebook are events / RSVP. I don't know any good alternative. For example it's still missing in Diaspora: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/1359

Same here. I'm on Facebook because of events.

Years ago, a club I was in was using Yahoo Groups, and over time more and more events were posted to Facebook. People complained, and eventually the organizer wrote back "I've been using Facebook because it lets me schedule an event, track RVSP's, link to the location/map, add members, post pics, and help advertise/recruit for more members. Anybody that wants to help or takeover any or all of this, let me know".

Total silence for a day or two before about 50 of us joined Facebook.

That was 8 years ago. I moved away but now I'm in at least 4 clubs that actively use Facebook for events... now it's typical for friends to schedule birthday parties, housewarmings, plain old get-togethers via Facebook private events. Also alumni groups, community events and so on that keep in touch or advertise things to do that way.

The only thing I'm tired of is people that constantly mention how they quit Facebook. I don't care. It serves a useful purpose for me. It's like that Onion article about the guy who doesn't own a TV and mentions that as often as possible - Onion should do an update starring Facebook quitters.

And before anybody suggests it, Meetup isn't a good alternative. (I'm an organizer of a Meetup group as well; I like Meetup but fills a different niche.)

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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The one greatest internet life hack I discovered in the last couple of years is to delete browser autocompletes (cmd + shift + delete or similar).

Once I became aware of the "slot machine" effect of websites I deleted the default autocompletes for Facebook and Hacker News, for example.

Prior to doing this, if I typed "F" into chrome I went to my Facebook news feed, and "N" in chrome took me to HN.

I deleted those defaults and made it so the autocomplete takes it to my profile on each site. My Facebook profile page is inherently non addictive. It's just me. I can then choose to click on events or whatever.

My HN profile is even more boring. This forces me to make one extra click before viewing the news stories but that single click is enough to stop me from compulsively checking news.

I can't overstate how many hours per week I reclaimed from this one change. It is better for my purposes than any sort of focus blocker. It doesn't prevent me from doing anything, it just removes the addictive trigger.

I also moved my Facebook app from the first screen on my iPhone, and disallowed any notifications. This is better for me than deleting the app. As long as I don't see the little red circle with a number, there's no compulsive reminder.

As a consequence of using this technique I am able to get what I want from web services without the addictive component.

--edit: grammar--

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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post #147

While I certainly get why you’d get off Facebook for privacy reasons, I feel like a lot of the “addiction” comments here and in similar posts as OP’s are a bit of a weird thing to me. Are people nowadays not capable of moderation? Purely anecdotally, but I mostly see older generations being the ones that hop off. Is it because they didn’t grow up with this kinda of social media and can’t seem to balance what is a per…

Are people nowadays not capable of moderation? Purely anecdotally, but I mostly see older generations being the ones that hop off. Is it because they didn’t grow up with this kinda of social media and can’t seem to balance what is a perfectly fine way to interact with friends and stay updated without pulling a cold turkey on it? 95% of the people I see on the subway every day are glued to their smartphones without in…

The first aspect is herd behavior. I used to take my kids to after school academics (Kumon, although it doesn't matter) and the waiting room was fascinating as the tiger moms (and dads) universally whipped out kindles and the au pairs whipped out smartphones and texted. Strict social classes by device selection. As publicly as possible, strivers read, servants text. As a parent I felt the need to kindle along with them, as its not like anyone socialized and that's what the parent class shows off in after school academics waiting rooms. Possibly no one on the subway wants to social media, but everyone on the subway social medias, so they feel the herd instinct... I worked at a building once with a large poor population (call center on some floor or another) and its a poor person fad to do pedestrian stuff like walking around parking lot while speakerphone talking or preferably video conferencing, like everyone under $20K/yr did that for awhile and they had to copy each other, you'd have like 10 people come off shift and all of them talking to their phones not each other.

The second aspect is social assumption. All smartphone use in a car is labeled as "texting" although I haven't used legacy SMS messages since about the time I got a smartphone (although SMS texting long predates smartphones of course). Culturally among non-technical people all messaging apps from Slack to IRC to the big advertising companies is "texting" which leads to confusion when a normie asks you to text them, they mean guess which of the dozen or so popular messaging apps you connect with them on, whereas I'm trying to remember how to use old fashioned SMS on my phone. Likewise everyone on the subway does social media, even if everyone is actually changing podcasts/music/audio books or reading ebooks or general web surfing around or whatever rando thing. I feel guilty about the endless indoctrination on billboards about "texting kills" when driving, especially when I'm merely changing my audiobook in audible while at a stop sign, not texting someone a copy of War and Peace at 85 MPH, although I don't feel any discomfort about the endless indoctrination about "drinking and driving kills" despite sipping tap water from a water bottle occasionally in public while driving. Worry of what if someone thinks my water bottle is full of grain alcohol isn't part of culture as much as what if someone thinks my safe audible app is (literally) killer app facebook messenger?

Third aspect as an older guy I can still remember when the default "I'm bored" activity was mindless TV watching. You might wish the default bored activity is not social media but something more useful, like online MOOC education or reading great books or prayer or whatever but lets be realistic, endless scrolling social media is of the Mork and Mindy syndicated TV show rerun social class of activity, the people doing it will merely find something even more inane to fill downtime, perhaps spinning fidget spinners to ever higher RPMs. As an inane time filler, social media isn't that bad compared to the realistic practical alternatives.

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Them not selling data doesn't mean you are not "the product". You are being advertised to based on what Google know about you. To use another hyperbolic term, your "eyeballs" are being sold to others. You are the product. Google not selling personally identifiable information is not out of benevolence, but because it makes their own position stronger. They are optimizing how to sell what you are giving them. Not that…

There's just one difference. "You are being advertised" is technically wrong. A product is being advertised to me , and yes, I have to look at it as a cost of using their service. They are advertising masses to the product companies, and product to the masses, but not 'personally me'. There's a huge difference here. I look at it more like a mutual contract between me and the 'free' service. They're not selling "me",…

I said "You are being advertised to".

You are being advertised to based on the profile Google has built of you and the profile companies want to advertise to.

As such, your attention your time, based on your life, is being sold to advertisers. I don't see how being aware of this and being okay with this changes this fact? Of course there is a "contract" of sorts (which are always mutual) in play between you and Google, Google provides you with a service and you provide Google with whatever data you want.

Google in turn uses this to sell its product (people like you reading ads) to other parties.

I'm not saying this is inherently bad either. But the sentence is used to make people aware of the fact that companies like Google have something to gain from giving you something for free, which is something a lot of people hadn't thought about before or are aware of (especially when they are internet products). Thus I don't get the pedantry that this statement seems to evoke.

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

#219

I deleted my Facebook account recently ONLY because of how spammy the notification system is! I didn't want many sources for my news feed so I unsubscribed to all of my hundreds of friends save a few. This redeemed my faith in the news feed, although I would have preferred to have just turned the whole feature off honestly. The problem came when I stopped using Facebook often so I wouldn't have any notifications, at…

It's shocking how bad the Facebook UX and App are. Bloated download size. Weird A/B testing of the UI. The "time"line showing you want it thinks you want to see rather than chronological order. As you said, pointless, spamy notifications that person A commented on person B's photo from 6 months ago. The list goes on...

Re: Why I deleted my Facebook account

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The author states:

>"Here’s the thing. You won’t be as outcast and lonely as you think. Your friends—and I know this is hard to believe—are still your friends in real life. You just won’t get notifications of what they ate on their lunch break."

This is so true and you might even find that you interact with your real friends more in real life after quitting Facebook.

"Facebook friends" is really a misnomer that has kind of devalued the word friend in my opinion. I think for the vast majority of connections on FB are more likely to be "Facebook acquaintances." These exists in real life as well, you just might not be as up to date on "what they had for lunch"(quoting the article.

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