Kalanick was absolutely right to be panicking about self driving cars. The reason we pay a little more for taxis and ubers is that we have to pay for the person driving the cars. With a self driving taxi service, and no need to pay for a driver, the cost of hiring a ride would become much cheaper disrupting uber's business. * This post was Edited in reply to comment with an edit deleting criticism about intellectual…
Could you please keep your statements truthful. There is no proof that Kalanick or Uber stole anything from Waymo. There is an ongoing and unresolved court case to determine that. It's only appropriate to make such a statement, if it's proven that Uber stole anything. This is HN not reddit. Thus far, all we know is that Levandowsky alledgedly took files as leverage to make sure Google paid him the bonuses Google was…
Emails show Kalanick's suspicions about Google's self-driving cars
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not a bot. The original comment made allegations of IP theft by Kalanick. It has since been edited.
Are you an Uber employee?
Furthermore, for authors of comments critical of Uber, do you also go out of your way to ask if they work for a competing company like Waymo, Google, Tesla or Lyft?
Let's ask you that same question. Are you a Waymo, Google, Tesla or Lyft employee or shareholder?
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you an Uber employee?
I've read the comment you're replying to a few times, and I'm curious why it matters if they are or not. For the purpose of contributing to this discussion, have they stated anything false or misrepresented anything? If so, you should present that as a retort instead, instead of questioning their identity. Furthermore, for authors of comments critical of Uber, do you also go out of your way to ask if they work for a…
Re: Emails show Kalanick's suspicions about Google's self-driving cars
#15Kalanick was absolutely right to be panicking about self driving cars. The reason we pay a little more for taxis and ubers is that we have to pay for the person driving the cars. With a self driving taxi service, and no need to pay for a driver, the cost of hiring a ride would become much cheaper disrupting uber's business. * This post was Edited in reply to comment with an edit deleting criticism about intellectual…
Could you please keep your statements truthful. There is no proof that Kalanick or Uber stole anything from Waymo. There is an ongoing and unresolved court case to determine that. It's only appropriate to make such a statement, if it's proven that Uber stole anything. This is HN not reddit. Thus far, all we know is that Levandowsky alledgedly took files as leverage to make sure Google paid him the bonuses Google was…
Re: Emails show Kalanick's suspicions about Google's self-driving cars
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you an Uber employee?
I've read the comment you're replying to a few times, and I'm curious why it matters if they are or not. For the purpose of contributing to this discussion, have they stated anything false or misrepresented anything? If so, you should present that as a retort instead, instead of questioning their identity. Furthermore, for authors of comments critical of Uber, do you also go out of your way to ask if they work for a…
Looking through your comment history, it appears you're an Uber apologist, which is your right.
I'm a Tesla investor, but I don't create straw man accounts to push a narrative.
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#17Travis also tried to partner with Tesla on this by using Tesla as a source for the vehicles (not sure who was responsible in this case for the software -- prolly uber), and Musk declined. Soon thereafter, Musk published his grand plan part 2 for Tesla, which included a home grown ride-sharing network where in grand Musk style they are going to do everything themselves.
Re: Emails show Kalanick's suspicions about Google's self-driving cars
#18Travis also tried to partner with Tesla on this by using Tesla as a source for the vehicles (not sure who was responsible in this case for the software -- prolly uber), and Musk declined. Soon thereafter, Musk published his grand plan part 2 for Tesla, which included a home grown ride-sharing network where in grand Musk style they are going to do everything themselves.
If you have the vehicles, why partner with someone who just wrote a platform you can replicate yourself? Uber has no value to those doing the actual self-driving work. They are the MBA in your startup to the CTO building the actual product.
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If you have the vehicles, why partner with someone who just wrote a platform you can replicate yourself? Uber has no value to those doing the actual self-driving work. They are the MBA in your startup to the CTO building the actual product.
That's like saying, if you make cars, why let Avis take the profits from renting them out? In both cases, because that car related business (rentals or ride hailing apps) is outside your core specialty.
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I've read the comment you're replying to a few times, and I'm curious why it matters if they are or not. For the purpose of contributing to this discussion, have they stated anything false or misrepresented anything? If so, you should present that as a retort instead, instead of questioning their identity. Furthermore, for authors of comments critical of Uber, do you also go out of your way to ask if they work for a…
Because it's a fairly frequent occurrence to have brand new accounts on HN rush to Uber's defense. And it's pretty sad to see people rush to Uber's defense because they're a despicable company with a proven track record of breaking many laws, abusing their employees, abusing their drivers, and treating their customers like cattle. Looking through your comment history, it appears you're an Uber apologist, which is you…
I honestly don't think it matters if they are brand new accounts or not so long as they contribute constructively to the discussion and follow HN's guidelines. There's a reason why dang and the other mods allow anonymity on HN. It's because while some anonymous commenters are shitposters, there are a lot of people that have something to valuable to contribute and don't feel comfortable posting under their primary account. So long as they add value. That is not only accepted on HN. It's encouraged if it is the only way that person will feel comfortable posting on HN. So back to my original question. Was the narrative pushed by this "strawman" factually incorrect? If it was not, then challenge them on their content, not on their identity.
Fortunately, your contribution thus far to this discussion has been to very clearly demonstrate that while their may be HNers pushing a narrative supportive of Uber, there are also people like you pushing a narrative attacking Uber because it economically behooves you to do so. It's good that people see this so clearly because they can learn to discount the biases of people on both sides with a conflict of interest.
Yes, I'm supportive of Uber. I'm also supportive of other companies that have gotten undue negative press like Apple, Facebook, Monsanto and ever other company that has become the whipping boy du jour of the virtue signaling press that has all of their own skeletons in their closet but act like their being virtuous when they smear a company for ad impressions.
Heck, the media has tried giving Tesla gets the exact same media treatment that you're complaining about with Uber, yet you're still an investor, right? Why haven't you sold your stock in outrage? A simple google search for "tesla abuse safety" turns up dozens and dozens of articles [0].
Tesla fortunately gets the benefit of still being a rich person's toy and therefore Tesla outrage porn isn't nearly as viral and profitable for the media companies as Uber stories. Furthermore, Elon also has the benefit of being more likable. The media tried to push character attacking stories a few years back about his divorce and whatnot, and I'm guessing they stopped because it didn't generate enough outrage and profits. If he had not been likable, he would have gotten the same treatment Kalanick did.
Even during the week that the Susan Fowler post went viral, a sexual harassment case was filed in an actual court against Tesla, but it didn't get the pageviews and went nowhere [1].
I don't bring that up as a strike against Tesla. I bring it up to demonstrate that sexual harassment and worker abuse issues are a problem everywhere, in our industry and in the world in general. It happens at Uber. It happens at Tesla. It happens at Apple. It happens at Google. It happens everywhere. Whether it is Uber, Tesla, Apple, Google or any other company, it does absolutely no good to single out a one company, crucifying it and all the hardworking employees at that company on account of a few bad apples that don't just exist at that one company. We can and should address these important social issues without succumbing to the outrage porn that has reached epidemic proportions in 2017.
Unless I missed it, I have seen no evidence to suggest that these problems are statistically more or less common at one company versus another. That perception is entirely the result of whichever company the media talks about more and they are going to talk the most about the company whose name gets them the most pageviews. Today it is Uber. If Tesla eventually becomes the household name it aspires to be, then it will increasingly happen to Tesla as well. Like Uber, I hope Tesla succeeds as well, but I also hope we solve the problem of the profitability of outrage porn before Tesla succeeds because Tesla employees, the majority of which are also hardworking and honest, don't deserve to be crucified for the sake of ad impressions either.
[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+abuse+safety&oq=tesla+...
[1] http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/02/tesla-fires-female-eng...