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Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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honest question: why then did no one copy the iPod, and no one has copied the iPhone with any success? as soon as the iPod came out way back in the day, the criticism was that it would soon be copied. No one ever did, and I worked in the music business at the time and was familiar with everything on the market. nothing ever came close, apple made a ton of money. it's a common thing to say that it's not defensible/can…

I think the simplest answer is that apple simply kept innovating at a pace that shenzen couldn't match. Back in the iPod's hey-day, every new release was a groundbreaking improvement in miniaturization. The other OEMs were racing to copy the iPod mini while Apple was developing the iPod nano, or the iPod Colour while apple was working on the iPod video. and, of course, as another reply says the software has always be…

Though it seems counterintuitive, I think it's the lack of a patent system in China that prevents its people from being innovative. Without a guaranteed monopoly, people are less likely to take risks and just turn to methods that are known to turn a profit (replicating foreign products and/or focusing on lowering manufacturing costs).

But now, the economy of Shenzhen has matured to the point where squeezing every ounce of production is no longer sustainable, and thus is forced to innovate. Perhaps that explains the number of hardware startups there: it's an advantage to be closely located to the manufacturer of your parts. That was also once true for Silicon Valley.

Maybe the failure of many hardware startups now can be attributed to manufacturing jobs being outsourced.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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The problem with fitness trackers and smartwatches is that each and every brand keeps adding unnecessary features to the stack. They won't listen to users and keep building devices that have no market. Most of those companies created a product that was good and needed a good amount of work to make it better. But it seems that developers and management felt that simple = bad, and worked their asses off to add useless…

I'm trying out a withings steel HR and it pretty much fits this bill. Unfortunately it's much more expensive than your price point.

- The HR monitor is very good; it has a passive mode and active mode you can activate if you want more detailed readings during exercise

- It looks like a nice watch without being bulky

- Battery life is almost a month

- It does have minimalist notifications (name of person texting you), but I actually don't want to get buzzed every time that happens so I turn it off

- Waterproof

- Step tracker element (analog 0-100% counter) is actually brilliant because it's super obvious how far I am in the day

Cost is north of $200. It was free for me because I'm experimenting on wearables for work (API integration)

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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Fitbit lost me when they refused to support HealthKit. As it stands I'm not sure they can escape their demise as the market transitions from limited function devices to multi function devices like the Apple Watch. They strike me as getting rolled over the same way Diamond, Archos, and Creative got crushed by the iPod. GoPro has a similar problem. Outside of special circumstances most smartphone cameras are now good e…

Actually the iPod was not a multi-function device. Palm Pilot was. But it turned out the specialized device was the one that transitioned into the multi-function device people wanted.

The iPod touch is essentially an iPhone without a cellular connection.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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I love my Jambox. What I love even more is the 20W Anker speaker that I just bought for a fifth of what the Jambox cost. And though physically a bit larger, the Anker sounds tons better. The Jambox was a fine product for its day, but the “decent sounding Bluetooth speaker” problem is now solved, and for not a lot of money.

Headsets? I dunno, are Bluetooth earpieces still a thing?

That leaves us with fitness trackers, and it doesn’t appear to me that the market for those is all that healthy. (And I’ve heard Jawbone’s quality on those was lacking.) So it seems to me that though Jawbone was innovative and had some great products that pushed the state of the art along (I’m thinking of their headset and speaker), those got commoditized and/or duplicated by others. Like many, I often have a “if only they’d...” opinion to share. In Jawbone’s case, I’m a bit stumped as to what they could have done differently.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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I'm under the impression Google/Android had pretty good success in copying the iPhone.

Samsung too.

Having good software stack is invaluable isn't it? Having Shenzhen clone and crank out a similar piece of hardware which has the worst minimally functional app isn't going to help anybody? It's also hard: see Samsung's crappy attempts at replacing the Google apps that no one uses and/or is poorly coded. Also see Bixby failing at English so far.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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"Jawbone Health is at the forefront of revolutionizing primary care for millions of patients worldwide. Combining more than 20 years of proprietary wearable technology with clinically relevant signals, Jawbone Health connects patients and physicians like never before with continuous, data-driven dialogue."

How exactly is a company that just started from the ashes of a glorified bluetooth speaker company revolutionizing primary care medicine? It really bothers me when snake oil tech CEO's spout this kind of rubbish.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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I think the problem with hardware startups is more subtle. Unless you open up a fundamentally new market segment or find a niche application, your product is asking to be commodified. Smartwatches and fitness trackers were too obvious a category and Samsung, Apple, etc. were sure to swoop in and win. There really is no distinguishing feature for Jawbone or Fitbit. Other hardware startups like Anki are doing stuff tha…

What about hardware that doesn't so directly rely on an information network, such as sous vide (Anova was recently acquired [0]) and appliances like the Roomba? e.g. I'm sure Google engineers could eventually design a great sous vide, but not much about a sous vide does is amplified by the Google ecosystem. I suppose those kinds of things, as useful and coveted as they are by their fans, could reach elite status in t…

The Instant Pot also comes to mind, though I have no idea how they are funded...

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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honest question: why then did no one copy the iPod, and no one has copied the iPhone with any success? as soon as the iPod came out way back in the day, the criticism was that it would soon be copied. No one ever did, and I worked in the music business at the time and was familiar with everything on the market. nothing ever came close, apple made a ton of money. it's a common thing to say that it's not defensible/can…

Wasn't the iPod successful because you could get music online legally and easily for it? Memory is hazy, but I seem to recall that without the iTunes store/application you had to either mess around ripping CDs, or use illegal downloads. The one hardware innovation the iPod had was to use the teeny hard drives just coming on to the market at the time, when everyone else was using flash. Flash was the right solution ul…

I think the interface was way more important. Archos beat Apple to market with little harddrives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series#Jukebox_... ) but the player is pretty something or other looking and has a bunch of chincy buttons. Even the mechanical clickwheel was vastly better than pressing a little button a couple dozen times.

Re: Jawbone is being liquidated as its CEO launches a related health startup

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I love my Jambox. What I love even more is the 20W Anker speaker that I just bought for a fifth of what the Jambox cost. And though physically a bit larger, the Anker sounds tons better. The Jambox was a fine product for its day, but the “decent sounding Bluetooth speaker” problem is now solved, and for not a lot of money. Headsets? I dunno, are Bluetooth earpieces still a thing? That leaves us with fitness trackers,…

AirPods, Gear IconX, etc are the new Bluetooth earpieces
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