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It's like complaining getting graphic cards working because of drivers is difficult on Ubuntu, based on experience with linux in 2005.
And at the time, most of the mindshare is/was with mongodb for document-oriented technology.
This post makes the assumption that MongoDB isn't doing well based on Hacker News. MongoDB the company, and product, are doing extremely well (outside of anecdotal Hacker News posts), based on objective metrics like downloads, skills, jobs, and company revenue (and the company is nearing 900 employees on linkedin). To put it another way, RethinkDB did extremely well on Hacker News. Twitter didn't, if you remember all…
MongoDB is like the PHP of databases. I started programming PHP and currently I bash it every time I can, because it is a terrible language. But it is easy to start and do cool stuff, just like mongodb. Initial traction is more important than initial architecture, I guess.
Reminds me of: https://slack.engineering/taking-php-seriously-cf7a60065329
This post makes the assumption that MongoDB isn't doing well based on Hacker News. MongoDB the company, and product, are doing extremely well (outside of anecdotal Hacker News posts), based on objective metrics like downloads, skills, jobs, and company revenue (and the company is nearing 900 employees on linkedin). To put it another way, RethinkDB did extremely well on Hacker News. Twitter didn't, if you remember all…
For a long time all I had ever done was relational, but then my company started using Azure table storage for a lot of projects and I became familiar with other models. Then I discovered Mongo while catching up on Angular, and enjoyed using it with the mostly small apps and prototypes I build. I don't know it well enough to try and support it's use on a large scale. After seeing how poorly designed the data is for so many companies out there, it's not a surprise to hear poor choices were made (and probably some poor execution).
My favorite recent one was a company that had to persist their Mongo database into AzureSQL (nightly job) so they could then push it to Good Data for analytics. They could have very easily used SQL Server and pushed directly from there to Good Data. And yes the company admitted that was the case.
I still think MongoDB is a good database. Conceptually, It's not as good as RethinkDB but it's not too far off. It's good to not have to deal with SQL and horrible ORMs anymore. TBH, I'd rather write SQL directly rather than use an ORM though. I never want to use an ORM ever again. At least that's one problem that MongoDB solved.
I will never understand this attitude.
What NoSQL databases are people using today when they need something ACID compliant? CouchDB?
However, most people think NoSQL as NotRelational - when there is no ACID guarantee. They are choosing availability over consistency.
Mongo did replace Oracle product but it was Oracle's Coherence[1]. There wasn't a concern of Mongo loosing data, because the data could be reloaded again from Postgres if it got lost.
I also heard that they were considering replacing Mongo with Postgres as well, but I do not know where this went.
I think 10th Gen is just good at generating hype. The migration was not because Mongo was better but because Oracle was expensive and not that much better from Open Source alternatives.
It was a perfect mixture of this unfounded fear with an advertised simple solution. Add the idea that there is no need for a DBA, encourage developers to see Mongo as a magic data storage and nothing more, and you have the perfect product for those who don't feel the need to look deeper.
Startups seem more optimized to fast iteration and quick development. It seems to me that they chose Mongo because they prioritized iteration and ease-of-development over the hard-nosed style needed to use a relational database well.
The misplaced hype cycle is real. 10gen is not a company dedicated to databases, at least not if the initial code quality of MongoDB is a signal (and it should be, since if you know a thing or two about storage you wouldn't take the compromises it initially did) Unfortunately, many fresh graduates with no experience in storage decided to evaluate the technology based on its very visible merits, without considering th…
Why wouldn't you always use something that is tried-and-true? MongoDB is relatively new compared to something like postgresql or even mysql.