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Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
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Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#72Because startups don't like business savvy people. Especially organised groups. They want cheap programmers who will make them rich for peanuts.
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#73I've almost hired full teams for my clients a few times as a recruiter. There tend to be a couple issues with this model. For one, what if the hiring company interviews the team and wants 7 of the 10? The team has to make a decision to either look for work where they can all be on the team, or abandon members. The other issue is timing. The team members need to all be available at (or around) the same time, and they…
Without a doubt it is inherently difficult to hire a whole team. On top of that each team member may have different requirements, availabilities, etc.
Is it so bad that 7 of the 10 individuals from a team get an opportunity together? Referrals are a growing part of business, and who is to say that a whole team cannot eventually work at another company? You have a better chance applying as a team than anything else.
There are team hiring platforms out there, and at least there you can see what type of opportunities exist for you team. Worst case you say no.
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#74A company called Elevator is trying to do that. From https://goelevator.com/ : > The world’s first team hiring platform. > Assemble your best colleagues today and start receiving full-time or freelance team jobs.
Thanks for pointing out that we’re already doing this at Elevator. I’m the CEO - AMA.
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#75Please checkout our startup: https://www.superteam.io/ We're currently accepting closed beta testers. We're a platform designed to create teams with freelancers. Our mission is to make freelancing easy as possible, through team collaboration and specialization.
nice hijacking the thread.
I fail to see how providing exactly what the thread requested counts as "hijacking".
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#76> However building teams on in individual hires take too much time and effort, with no knowledge about compatibility or assurance regarding the resulting efficiency of the team
Yes, but the cost of integrating too different cultures is also pretty steep. A group of people will tend to resist change stronger than an individual person. When you hire new people, they tend to bring what they know, arguing with things like "trust me, we used to do it that way in my previous company and it was great", now if the 10 people you hire think the same, you will have some serious cultural problems.
That said, I've seen a team (6 people) hire happen once, and it actually went well. The hired team was composed of super nice guys though and integrated very well with the existing team.
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#77> However building teams on in individual hires take too much time and effort, with no knowledge about compatibility or assurance regarding the resulting efficiency of the team Yes, but the cost of integrating too different cultures is also pretty steep. A group of people will tend to resist change stronger than an individual person. When you hire new people, they tend to bring what they know, arguing with things lik…
I can't understand why that's a problem. I am a great believer in "strong opinions, weakly held".
Now, I do agree that "trust me it's cool" is not a very good explanation, but if a good one is provided, and if it's better than what you currently have, you should listen up and change your ways.
Otherwise that new hire will go on HN ranting about you saying "trust me, we're doing it that way for a while and it's great."
Do you hire for skill or obedience?
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
What "scam"? I'm working as a freelancer for a startup that's doing great, thanks.
The market for custom software developers is built in a way that tricksters inevitably outcompete honest people. I.e. any sufficiently attractively looking profile on a freelance developer on any freelance site is likely someone to actually, avoid. They know what they are doing very well, that is their bread, they do it whole their lives, and there is absolutely no chance an outsider can beat them i that game.
I see your point: people who market themselves better do better, regardless of their skillset to back up their claims.
Which happens a lot everywhere, not just with programmers.
But it should be relatively easy to beat the scammers, learn how to market yourself properly, get testimonials to back up your claims, build your marketing message to answer questions and problems that your potential customers have. In other words: build your authority as a freelancer.
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#79Isn't this basically the consulting firm model? (Thoughtworks, Happiest Minds, Digital Foundry, etc...)
Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?
#80A "team" means more than one human, and coordination of >1 humans requires a contract.
A group of humans negotiating a contract for employment is "collective bargaining", which is a no-go for business, because divide and conquer is cheaper.