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The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax

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Post by briantakita »

dang wrote: post #140
briantakita wrote: post #65

Oh, but the subscriptions continue. They "cure a disease" with vaccines my friend...In fact they increase as vaccines are compulsively imposed on almost everybody...Note that the vaccine manufactures are immune from liability, so a vaccine is a perfect injection point for bioaccumulative toxins which create more future customers. > Indeed, and it is surely for the same reason that there isn't yet a pill I can take to…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14699228 and marked it off-topic.

Why? It's just a thread & good discussion.

It also relates to the primary motivations & stratagems (particularly the subscription model) of the industry. It's all related...

Re: The $100B per year back pain industry is mostly a hoax

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Post by briantakita »

averagewall wrote: post #150
siidooloo wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Electromagnetic pollution"? Are you seriously arguing wifi causes cancer?

Being charitable, he might mean sunlight.

> Are you seriously arguing wifi causes cancer

> Being charitable, he might mean sunlight.

I'm talking about the broad concept of Electromagnetic Pollution, including effects known & unknown. I'm not convinced of the "proof" that Electromagnetic pollution does not cause cancer, as there are secondary effects (i.e. Melatonin).

http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/29/working-the-night-shif...

Putting cell phones next to you head is not a good idea. We aren't going to hear about the effects from the "scientific consensus" until there's a market solution though.

Sunlight is good for you & will reduce cancer.

Perhaps you should research Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Syndrome. Many of the former engineers from Ericsson have this disease. Perhaps you can visit a United States National Radio Quiet Zone & see if you feel different...

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-02/disconnected

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

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Post by gcb0 »

nradov wrote: post #200
gcb0 wrote: post #194

what is it that cause so much back pain in the USA? anecdotal evidence, but after a few years there I had weekly visits to chiropractic just to function. one week out of the country, anywhere else, and I am good as new again. back to the usa, back to chiropractic. I already tried to change everything I can think of. even doing more exercise in the us caused a nerve pitch that was hell. why? why?

obesity and sedentary lifestyles

I am still overweight when I leave the county :)

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Post by femto »

yarek wrote: post #263
femto wrote: post #16

I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of a morning routine of 15 minutes of exercise at home, targeting the pelvic muscles. The only equipment required is a floor mat, if the floor is hard. I started gently and naturally progressed to a higher level, taking the attitude that there is no hurry, because I'm going to be doing this for the rest of my life, so there is plenty of time to progress. My initial routine…

Is your doc Sydney based? Mind sharing the contact info?

I've sent an email to the address in your profile.

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

gumby wrote: post #302
blister wrote: post #273

Anecdote of one: I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Hodgkins Lymphoma two years ago. My _only_ symptom at the time was pretty severe back pain, which is unusual for lymphoma. After treatment and remission a year later, I still had the severe back pain. The cancer pain management doctor I was seeing was perfectly happy to keep prescribing godlike levels of opiods. (50+ mg of oxycodone on top of 30+ mg of slow-release morphi…

> I had to pay for several weeks of PT out of pocket because my insurance did not consider it important. They would prefer to shell out $500+ dollars every month to see a pain management doctor and continue taking pills. Of course you could easily have sold those pills to pay for the PT :-)

That's nothing to smile or joke about... selling prescription pain killers is wrong. You're perpetuating the problem.

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Post by sn9 »

seanwilson wrote: post #307
sn9 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth would you assume any lay audience would have an up-to-date knowledge of the state of research in any given field in which they are not a working researcher?

I'm assuming that hackers that expect things like benchmarks for software performance claims who are then also skeptical enough to point out microbenchmarks aren't meaningful to be more skeptical than the average person. I don't have up-to-date knowledge about back pain or other medical topics but I know enough to be skeptical of certain claims and to ignore anecdotes.

Yes but that doesn't really justify the expectation of your original comment. It's pretty unreasonable to expect any group of laymen to have up-to-date knowledge of current research in any field outside of their own.

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Post by bernhardwenzel »

krupan wrote: post #279

Foundation Training saved my back. I hate sounding like an infomercial for them, but seriously people, it works. Simple exercises you can learn from their book or YouTube videos.

+1 I always had back problems, but after my now two year old was born it got much worse, due to lack of sleep, lack of sports and the permanent lifting of 13 kg. I tried a lot of things at home, the only relief were medical massages.

This book "Foundation: Redefine Your Core, Conquer Back Pain, and Move with Confidence" did almost magic to my problems. The exercises are dead simple and I'm still amazed how well they help.

Agreed, the infomercial nature is a bit off putting but don't let this distract you, the exercises are working

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