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US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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"The CIA even helped to make an episode of Top Chef that was hosted at Langley, featuring then-CIA director Leon Panetta who was shown as having to skip dessert to attend to vital business. Was this scene real, or was it a dramatic statement for the cameras?" Wow. Good work on the FOIA retrieval, but I'm utterly out on the hyperbolic speculative tone. The editor undercuts the good journalism being done here when they…

I flew next to a navy Commander who was responsible for coordinating the use of Navy ships and personnel with television and movie production companies. His take on it was that the Navy wouldn't participate if it made the services look bad or show them to be operating in a manner that wasn't in service to their mission. It seemed like a reasonable trade-off.

He also mentioned that CGI was making the use of actual hardware less common.

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When I've been telling everyone that James Bond and other similar movies serve the same role as military parades in Soviet-block countries, and heavily scripted by the military, they told me that this is another conspiracy theory and I must be plainly wrong. I wasn't.

Being patriotic isn't the same as being propaganda. Those movies are cool and people like them. Probably for the same reasons they're susceptible to propaganda. It's not a conspiracy, they just found a formula to make money.

While being patriotic and emphasizing the good that the military do they often also portray civilian government as ineffective, out of touch, overpaid, etc.

The thing that bothers me is that its an inherently right wing message.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah exactly. also you didn't need a freedom of information act to know this. I remember generals / DOD officials talking about it in a TV interviews (1996 independence day, 2007 transformers). directors are overly focused on realism for better or for worse, so a lot also goes to providing stock footage for inspiration, advice, and fact checking like 'is this aircraft meant for the role its portrayed in the movie'. e…

Speaking of Bay specifically: Bay is very pro-military and goes out of his way to portray the US military in a positive light. Observe the scene from Battleship where Lt. Col. Gregory Gadson, the director of the U.S. Army's Wounded Warrior Program, was cast to play a double-amputee soldier who, among other things, fist-fights an alien. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMX3v6exVf8

For some reason I just re-watched the first two transformers movies. (I don't know. They were still bad, but I like robots.)

The funny thing is that he is not only pro-military, he's anti-government. It's not just that the military has to be seen in a good light, other government people have to also be seen as bad.

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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I like how the article failed to mention the most obvious example. The military backed out support for the movie Independence Day because they didn't want to feed conspiracy nonsense about hiding aliens at area 51. Clearly this is a propaganda effort to bend the truth into a lie..... right? I also like how the article never mentioned military supported movies that indicate dishonorable conduct like Invisible War and…

The department of defense actually has a group that produces favorable news pieces for local news. Can't remember the name of it.

After Vietnam they made some decisions about how and when they would deal with the media. Journo's "embed" with troops. Staff officers give commentary on cable news. We don't see bodies of American's or anyone else. No one pushes back on the idea that "smart bombs" still kill bystanders.

Don't even get me started on the whole "special forces can do anything" message that they have been pushing for years.

One of the problems is that any level of criticism is immediately taken out of all proportion.

All of that being said...Warrant officer? That's cool. Like helicopters and stuff? I'm an Air Force brat.

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I am sure "24" was pure propaganda. And "West Wing". I enjoyed them though, at the time. But now they would just revolt me.

One of the seasons of 24 (second?) had a launch event in Washington with Rumsfeld and other high level members of the administration on the stage.

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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"The CIA even helped to make an episode of Top Chef that was hosted at Langley, featuring then-CIA director Leon Panetta who was shown as having to skip dessert to attend to vital business. Was this scene real, or was it a dramatic statement for the cameras?" Wow. Good work on the FOIA retrieval, but I'm utterly out on the hyperbolic speculative tone. The editor undercuts the good journalism being done here when they…

> making the unsupported assumption that every government / Hollywood cooperation incident is a propaganda op, instead of far simpler explanations like "Joe in Langley publicity gets to brag to his family that he made the Top Chef episode happen."

To me it's like /r/hailcorporate, it doesn't primarily matter if it's intentional or not. There are many people exhausting their potential, credibility and dignity for the sake of identifying with some Moloch or other. Here, there, elsewhere. What had to be mostly forced, on people who had to be broken and tamed in the first place, now comes flowing freely, because Stockholm Syndrome is the gift that keeps on giving. So? Not everything is a propaganda "op", just like a piece of moss is not a fabricated carpet. It still has the effect of a carpet among other things, and grows systematically, consciously or not.

By the way, even the White Rose considered their own leaflets propaganda, then there's things like agitprop, I kind of wonder when and when that became such a hard word to use in earnest without theatrical eye rolling. The problem isn't propaganda, the problem is the lack of integrity and morals. In a more decent world, I would absolutely LOVE to have firefighters and cops and IT security people and whoever make propaganda, I would help them make it. There would be no soldiers obvs, because the only use those have is to defend against other soldiers at best, murder civilians at worst, which is a net negative.

Anyway, the problem to me is the corruption of institutions, not the institutions. A non-corrupt institution "being cute" or "posing as cool" actually is cute or least dorky in a likeable way respectively. Otherwise, "op" or not, propaganda or not, it's always way over the nasty line for me, certainly when money, lies and murder are involved.

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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As a movie buff this doesn't surprise me at all. I'm still waiting for THE movie about the US intervention in Iraq, the same kind of movies that Apocalypse Now, "The Deer Hunter" and even Rambo I were for the Vietnam war. I think my wait will be in vain.

Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/uZwuTI-V8SI?t=30

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

#170

"The CIA even helped to make an episode of Top Chef that was hosted at Langley, featuring then-CIA director Leon Panetta who was shown as having to skip dessert to attend to vital business. Was this scene real, or was it a dramatic statement for the cameras?" Wow. Good work on the FOIA retrieval, but I'm utterly out on the hyperbolic speculative tone. The editor undercuts the good journalism being done here when they…

I flew next to a navy Commander who was responsible for coordinating the use of Navy ships and personnel with television and movie production companies. His take on it was that the Navy wouldn't participate if it made the services look bad or show them to be operating in a manner that wasn't in service to their mission. It seemed like a reasonable trade-off. He also mentioned that CGI was making the use of actual har…

That's not a take, it's longstanding policy. Apocalypse Now is a well-known example (link goes to google books, shortened because their real URLs are infinite):

http://goo.gl/szAMGZ

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