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Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by schoen »

E6300 wrote: post #60
em3rgent0rdr wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rich poor divide. Transportation. Pollution. Environment. Ethnic separatism/unrest. Energy. Public Health. Rights of criminally accused. And a not quite as well refined legal system...for instance I was reading about how drivers who accidentally hit a pedestrian are actually incentivise to backup to make sure to kill the pedestrians. And the social acceptance and ability to talk freely about social issues in public f…

> drivers who accidentally hit a pedestrian are actually incentivise to backup to make sure to kill the pedestrians Why?

Mostly based on a 2015 Slate article which might not be accurate (in terms of proven cases, as opposed to people's familiarity with the concept).

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2...

http://www.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by thinkfurther »

indescions_2017 wrote: post #23

Another fascinating "censorship" story playing out right now: Tencent Loses $14 Billion After Criticism From Chinese Media http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/tencent-loses-14-billion-ho... To call this "chilling" is a gross understatement!

So, 4 something percent. Do you find this chilling, too?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/11/investing/donald-trump-press...

> Trump said that many companies were "getting away with murder" and that there would be more competitive bidding practices for federal contracts in his administration.

> Dow component Pfizer's (PFE) stock fell more than 2% immediately after the comments.

> Mylan (MYL), which has already come under Congressional scrutiny for dramatic price hikes of its life-saving allergy medication EpiPen, fell 3.5%, and Bristol-Myers Squibb dived 4%.

> Allergan (AGN) and Valeant (VRX), two other biotechs that have been criticized for raising drug prices, also fell more than 3%. And the iShares Nasdaq Biotechnology ETF (IBB), which owns many of these companies, fell 3% too.

That's just the first hit for "stock prices fell after criticism". There's plenty of that, and four percent are nothing. What's so chilling? That 4 percent of anything can mean billions of dollars? The mechanism of stock markets? That social media and "traditional media" have this reach and effect just by things being said? That the gaming industry became this huge and heartless after such short time, and how some in it would LOVE to be able to "capture" audiences like the pharma industry can? None of these things? Or really just mostly the Chinese Communist Party, the one thing most of us have no say and no responsibility in, rather than those aspects of this which we share in every day?

And what comes after chilling? Freezing? Is it really "gross" to merely call this chilling? What would be neither an under- nor an overstatement?

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by enoemos »

girzel wrote: post #58

I work in Chinese publishing, and the same thing is absolutely happening there. Books are being pulled off the shelves, publishers are being warned away from anything potentially controversial. The basic attitude is, "Don't risk it", and it's absolutely deadly to creativity and culture. On the one hand, the central government is trying to encourage Chinese culture to "Go Out" and wow the world. On the other, it is ab…

There're two/three forces in PRC ideological and cultural ministries repsenting the worldviews of Han, Manchu and Hui respectively. In Mao era, the three had been forged into one piece by iron fist of the communist ideology.

After Mao era, the three founding groups of the CCP separated as the minorities' ethnicity awareness grows. Manchu and Hui elites have concentrated in arts, culture and media related 'soft power' agencies.

Therefore, it's not hard to see the conflicts in these domains. In fact , the ethnic Hui controlled CCTV removed all words, images and performances about pigs in the 2007 Spring Festival Gala Show for the Year of Boar.

There've been severe cultural conflicts under the hood of harmonic society and the Han majority are losing control of many domains in recent years, including the law enforcement ministry.

Don't be shocked if the PRC becomes a Islamic state with Chinese characteristics in the next 60 years if the Han majority still can't find something unique to believe in (no,the western ideology failed in 1989 already, though Christian Han are growing rapidly).

Forget the Uyghur, focus on Hui, one of the three founding ethnic groups of the CCP.

President Xi resorts to Neo Conficius Ideology to spirit up the money-addictive Han majority.But Hui has Allah and 陈克礼.

Let's see if there will be any pig related shows in the next CCTV Gala for the year of Boar 2019.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by [deleted] »

girzel wrote: post #58

I work in Chinese publishing, and the same thing is absolutely happening there. Books are being pulled off the shelves, publishers are being warned away from anything potentially controversial. The basic attitude is, "Don't risk it", and it's absolutely deadly to creativity and culture. On the one hand, the central government is trying to encourage Chinese culture to "Go Out" and wow the world. On the other, it is ab…

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Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by coldtea »

pizzetta wrote: post #59
coldtea wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Newbie question but what is China's rationale for their internet censorship and firewall? What are they afraid of? Aside from the CCP wanting to maintain its control in-land, there's this little real issue, that 80% the internet is mostly controlled from a handful of companies, all in the hands of foreign nationals (who are all "patriotic" and all reside in countries other than China). That is, things like search,…

I think the Answer is yes. We had no issue with Nokia or Toyota. We consume Anime. Lots of companies use Kaspersky despite apparent ties to RU intelligence services. There is some talk of the DoD pulling out from a contract --but that's DoD and I imagine Chinese version of DoD would do something similar.

>We had no issue with Nokia or Toyota.

Neither Nokia not Toyota were relevant on the pipes and on the culture/interest/spying/etc level. It was just buying foreign consumer products. (And neither is Anime an example of that).

None of those things are like using a foreign Google, Facebook, etc.

And even for those (which are entirely time), there were huge worries about the Japanese "buying everything" (in the 80s), and people saying people should "buy American" etc.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by E6300 »

schoen wrote: post #71
E6300 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> drivers who accidentally hit a pedestrian are actually incentivise to backup to make sure to kill the pedestrians Why?

Mostly based on a 2015 Slate article which might not be accurate (in terms of proven cases, as opposed to people's familiarity with the concept). http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2... http://www.snopes.com/chinese-drivers-kill-pedestrians/

I don't know if that's true or not, but if the penalties described in that article are accurate, I'd say the penalties for killing someone with a vehicle, either from recklessness or malice, are shockingly lenient.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by enoemos »

nickrio wrote: post #15
visarga wrote: post #9

Probably not Xi's problem but China will lag economically and creatively because of this restriction. It's just ceding the entertainment initiative to other creators, outside of China. Even if they ban all creative content from outside China, don't they know that a terabyte HDD can hold enough movies to last for a year, and be copied easily?

Ha! CCP don't give any shit about creativity . They want to be in control, including controlling creativity. In fact, if you're a Chinese people like me, you probably learned CCP's "Three Represents" when you in mid school. Which is: - "Represents advanced social productive forces" stands for economic production - "Represents the progressive course of China's advanced culture" stands for cultural development - "Repre…

Yeah, the Neo Conficius Ideology is dangerous to creativity and open society too.

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Post by [deleted] »

nickrio wrote: post #15
visarga wrote: post #9

Probably not Xi's problem but China will lag economically and creatively because of this restriction. It's just ceding the entertainment initiative to other creators, outside of China. Even if they ban all creative content from outside China, don't they know that a terabyte HDD can hold enough movies to last for a year, and be copied easily?

Ha! CCP don't give any shit about creativity . They want to be in control, including controlling creativity. In fact, if you're a Chinese people like me, you probably learned CCP's "Three Represents" when you in mid school. Which is: - "Represents advanced social productive forces" stands for economic production - "Represents the progressive course of China's advanced culture" stands for cultural development - "Repre…

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Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by pizzetta »

coldtea wrote: post #75
pizzetta wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Answer is yes. We had no issue with Nokia or Toyota. We consume Anime. Lots of companies use Kaspersky despite apparent ties to RU intelligence services. There is some talk of the DoD pulling out from a contract --but that's DoD and I imagine Chinese version of DoD would do something similar.

> We had no issue with Nokia or Toyota. Neither Nokia not Toyota were relevant on the pipes and on the culture/interest/spying/etc level. It was just buying foreign consumer products. (And neither is Anime an example of that). None of those things are like using a foreign Google, Facebook, etc. And even for those (which are entirely time), there were huge worries about the Japanese "buying everything" (in the 80s), a…

People were rightfully concerned about the lack of reciprocal trade. While true American cars would not attract much of a market in Japan (due to a few issues like gas consumption, size, etc.) the market was not as open to US products as the US market was open to Japanese products, despite the inherent handicap.

Re: China's bloggers, filmmakers feel chill of internet crackdown

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Post by jxramos »

girzel wrote: post #58

I work in Chinese publishing, and the same thing is absolutely happening there. Books are being pulled off the shelves, publishers are being warned away from anything potentially controversial. The basic attitude is, "Don't risk it", and it's absolutely deadly to creativity and culture. On the one hand, the central government is trying to encourage Chinese culture to "Go Out" and wow the world. On the other, it is ab…

This is very concerning. I'm curious how all this is delivered as far as the actions of officials to enact this behavior in general populace. How exactly do they pull it off? Are there new strategies employed or do they leverage years of chilling requests and punishments for people to generally know better not to cross the government? Do people personally know political prisoners and what not or see punished individuals paraded on TV and what not? Thanks for sharing.
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