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SV tech companies are infested with young white brogrammers who only want to work with people who look like them and share their hobbies/interests. They call it "cultural fit" Edit: missed important adjective "white"
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No, it's because I'll get attacked for not agreeing with x y z position. It's no longer acceptable to have discussions about such topics. It's no longer acceptable to just not stand in the way of such topics (I'm not against people being feminists for example, I don't care) - you must agree, or you're regarded as being against. Unless you specifically agree with illegal immigration and feminism, then you are against…
Maybe I'm missing part of the thread, but who is attacking you? This is a discussion forum and people are discussing the opinions you shared... because that's what happens on discussion forums. Do you expect to only receive praise and agreement?
I'm not being attacked on HN / in this thread. HN tends to be about 10x more civil than public social media.
I can't post any of what I said on here - none of which was very inflammatory - without practically enraging dozens of my Democrat/liberal/left-oriented (is there a PC term for that?) friends on eg Facebook. These are good people I'm talking about, and they now lose their minds at the drop of a hat on discussing these topics (post Trump, it has all gone into another gear). And if this conversation were being held on Twitter, I'd be getting death threats (or something close to it; maybe I'd just get called horrible names and proclaimed as being a racist Trump supporter etc) by now for not specifically being in favor of feminism / illegal immigration (as two examples).
It's not agreement I seek, I don't need it. I can't voice opinions about these subjects on public social media, as myself, without people being enraged about the discussion (and or possibly worse, people taking what I say out of context, or failing to understand what I'm arguing (either of their own fault or mine) etc), that response is a business risk that I can't tolerate.
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Eh, this is just the standard argument against "identity politics". The obvious counterpoint is that, by working together as an identified sub-group, you have greater power than you would otherwise. Dedicated venues for those sub-groups offer a place to organize, provide communal support, etc. Frankly, I think it's sadly naive to believe that we can simply "Lose all the labels" and that'll magically fix things. "Iden…
I remember quite some time ago, before Social networks. Before blogs. Before all of what we think of the WWW. We were still in Web 1.0 , with email, usenet, IRC, and other then-essential services. Dial-up was the way online. And when people talked with each other, we were told to not release who we are. Be guarded in your real-identity. And that lead to user1 talks with user2. I didn't know if user2 was white, black,…
Imao it's just men's ego's, sexism and stupidity that creates this discrimination. It's abject and should change, the sooner the better! (I'm not female btw)
>I want inclusivity, not exclusivity. Thank you. I find myself feeling the exact same way as a black man in this industry, and cringe at "minority only" events and clubs. We don't need token inclusion and separate praise for being "brave" and "fighting against the odds". We need a world where those things are irrelevant.
My wife and I have discussed this multiple times before, and feel the exact same way. All she wants is regular inclusion! I think it is clear her gender has worked against her several times in the past. When she was running her startup, some suppliers would tell her to put them in touch with a decision maker, despite her clearly being one of two founders/execs. The counter argument I have heard was: "this doesn't hel…
Heck, I know people who just want acknowledgement of their existence. The "other" category is not a great place to be. That also ignores when institutions divert resources away that were given to the institution to help the forgotten.
As a straight white male, this type of thing has never affected me directly. But as a programmer who's now in his 50s, I'm starting to get a very tiny taste of the same emotions. There was an article on HN just a few days ago about "why you should hire older programmers" which I felt to be deeply, deeply offensive in a way I found hard to articulate. Why are you putting labels on me? Why are you pretending there's so…
Thanks.
edit Why did my comment get dislodged from being underneath another comment that I was replying to? It's now showing as a stand-alone comment under the thread. ------------------------------------------- I'm doing a similar thing. I stopped posting anything personal on Facebook about a year ago and I never post to Twitter. I'll never go back to posting personal thoughts on social media, not under any circumstances. I…
Generic ideological tangents lead to flamewars and are so low in information that they're off-topic even when they sound on-topic. For example, you guys have started arguing about "feminism" without the slightest reason to believe you mean the same thing by it. You'd think the triviality of such a disagreement would lower the stakes, but in fact the opposite happens: we each fill in the blank slate with our own demons and everybody's buttons get pushed. The way out of this is to have something more substantive to talk about.
(That's not to say your feelings aren't valid, of course they are, and so are the feelings that flare up in response. The problem is that communication can't take place this way, and we don't want battle here.)
It's hard to know what's right on this stuff. For every woman like Maria, there's another woman saying that exclusive events helped her get over her fears and join in. There are women who celebrated their geeky side and then were scared off by men who, for whatever reason, couldn't manage to treat her like one of the boys. Some areas of tech have reached that terrible threshold where women aren't just a minority, the…
Perhaps. After all, we're a very diverse species, humans. But please don't use this as an excuse to stop engaging.
>I want inclusivity, not exclusivity. Thank you. I find myself feeling the exact same way as a black man in this industry, and cringe at "minority only" events and clubs. We don't need token inclusion and separate praise for being "brave" and "fighting against the odds". We need a world where those things are irrelevant.
Watching from the sidelines as a white male, I have to say that I find these kinds of situations so confusing. Some people want these differences to be highlighted, while others like yourself want the complete opposite. I'm left believing that my only choice is to have no opinion. Though I lean towards your stance across the board.
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Yeah, agreed. I still remember seeing a bunch of college students pushing for 'segregation' at university because it would 'help minorities' and thinking "Wasn't that exactly what we got rid of because it was horribly racist 50 years or so ago?" It feels like all these 'minority only' events and clubs and what not are going straight back to the bad old days. Just from the opposite 'side' of the political spectrum.
Then you don't understand the core problem. You know what, I think people, in general, should be allowed to discriminate. The whole "right to refuse service" shtick - people shouldn't be forced to do things they don't want to do, even if they are following stupid beliefs. That said, I recognise there are things that have to beat that. Just like free speech doesn't include shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre, we have…