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US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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I wonder about Conspiracy Theory and the CIA's Project MKUltra. Did the CIA manipulate it? Or somehow not have the opportunity?

I would think such things are OK because if people saw it in a fictional movie that doesn't say "based on true events" at the beginning they may be inclined to believe it didn't really happen.

Maybe. But MKUltra was mentioned by name, and the methods portrayed were quite gruesome.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right it's outrageous the military gets to attend for profit games and for America to show its pride. It's not like they don't do the same exact things in other Countries... We should just have military parades and drive our missiles and tanks around D.C. Just look how Russia and North Korea do it.

You're really defending the US by comparing it to NK and Russia? That's a very low bar indeed. Also, a lot of other countries don't have such extreme levels of jingoism, certainly not in Europe we don't. World War II taught us where such extreme patriotism leads. Trump is a natural and direct result of jingoism; but yet it continues.

The whole post was sacastic.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ludicrous propaganda of military jet fly overs, national anthem spectacles, huge flags, and people in the military standing on the side of the field at private for profit sports game in a stadium paid for by taxpayers for the team owner's benefit is hilarious.

Why is that hilarious. The alternative would be a nation that's not behind it's troops. The us would likely not be a super power. US citizens greatly benefit off the super power status. Seems like the military is acting in the citizens best interest.

Why should I celebrate a member my country's military any more than say a sewage plant employee or a school teacher?

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I am sure "24" was pure propaganda. And "West Wing". I enjoyed them though, at the time. But now they would just revolt me.

Same with "The Wire". I enjoy it however I feel like it grants a false sense that law enforcement follows all the rules for obtaining warrants for surveillance.

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right it's outrageous the military gets to attend for profit games and for America to show its pride. It's not like they don't do the same exact things in other Countries... We should just have military parades and drive our missiles and tanks around D.C. Just look how Russia and North Korea do it.

This kind of nationalistic-militaristic crossover with sports is not a thing anywhere in Europe, as far as I know. It's super cringey. Same category as having kids in school recite the pledge of allegiance every day. Just really weird.

I know: when I was a kid I was taught that the countries that needed these ritualistic pledges of patriotism and flag worship were the totalitarian ones (USSR, GDR, Turkey, Imperial Japan, etc). It was a shock to see my kid have to learn a flag prayer in the USA.

And sport is a private sector activity -- why should the government be involved?

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I am sure "24" was pure propaganda. And "West Wing". I enjoyed them though, at the time. But now they would just revolt me.

Same with "The Wire". I enjoy it however I feel like it grants a false sense that law enforcement follows all the rules for obtaining warrants for surveillance.

Spoiler alert, but I recall the police figuring out how to get around the requirements of getting a warrant to be a huge plot. Perhaps it showed a rosier than normal view of police getting warrants, but I feel like it definitely displayed a variety of situations where law enforcement did not follow the rules.

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I like how the article failed to mention the most obvious example. The military backed out support for the movie Independence Day because they didn't want to feed conspiracy nonsense about hiding aliens at area 51.

Clearly this is a propaganda effort to bend the truth into a lie..... right?

I also like how the article never mentioned military supported movies that indicate dishonorable conduct like Invisible War and The General's Daughter.

I think all these very obvious omissions were intentional because the article is wanting to indicate some level of propaganda. Tipping its toe into the pool of conspiracy foolishness.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(1996_film)

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General%27s_Daughter_(film...

EDIT:

I have rethought this comment (slow day at work). I do not mean to say the article is completely invalid. The fact of the matter is that the military holds trademarks over most of its common insignia, military bases are private property, and its personnel are employees. It has the right to offer or withhold any of its assets as it deems much like private entities.

That said the military has the right to disqualify commentary or stories negatively without qualification. I believe the word for this is disparagement. You can be negative about the military and still receive military support, but it must be qualified.

My personal opinion on the matter is the military does shape how it is perceived by the public through entertainment. It does shape that narrative. This has the potential to hint at, though very lightly, something resembling propaganda but I strongly believe this is not the intent.

If the public wanted the most accurate and realistic portrayal of the military they would receive their view of that world from journalism or documentaries. This isn't want the public generally wants though. They want entertainment and all the suspended disbelief that comes with it. If you believe this is unfair then choose books as your source of fiction on military interests, which don't appear to have any such manipulation.

In full disclosure I am a warrant officer in the US Army.

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right it's outrageous the military gets to attend for profit games and for America to show its pride. It's not like they don't do the same exact things in other Countries... We should just have military parades and drive our missiles and tanks around D.C. Just look how Russia and North Korea do it.

You're really defending the US by comparing it to NK and Russia? That's a very low bar indeed. Also, a lot of other countries don't have such extreme levels of jingoism, certainly not in Europe we don't. World War II taught us where such extreme patriotism leads. Trump is a natural and direct result of jingoism; but yet it continues.

"certainly not in Europe we don't"

Jingoism is alive and well in some parts of the UK print media.

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