>I want inclusivity, not exclusivity. Thank you. I find myself feeling the exact same way as a black man in this industry, and cringe at "minority only" events and clubs. We don't need token inclusion and separate praise for being "brave" and "fighting against the odds". We need a world where those things are irrelevant.
Watching from the sidelines as a white male, I have to say that I find these kinds of situations so confusing. Some people want these differences to be highlighted, while others like yourself want the complete opposite. I'm left believing that my only choice is to have no opinion. Though I lean towards your stance across the board.
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#13BTW, I am also not a Woman in Tech, for real though.
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#14Take my previous job. Women were objectified on Slack. A woman was groped, though she didn't report it out of concern for the repercussions. In meetings execs, male execs would only address/look at the men, not the women. The company was 91% men, even though 24% of the workforce for those jobs in the area was female.
My friends in another high-profile company in the area were sexually harassed, though they felt like they couldn't report it. They simply left the job.
I've mentored young women in high school interested in STEM in a program specific for them. The content is the same, but there's value in having these to counter the obstacles specific to women that they'll face.
I've never seen men, as a group, encounter the obstacles I've seen many female peers discuss. Not all women encounter these, but as a group, it's undeniable that there's extra obstacles.
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#15>I want inclusivity, not exclusivity. Thank you. I find myself feeling the exact same way as a black man in this industry, and cringe at "minority only" events and clubs. We don't need token inclusion and separate praise for being "brave" and "fighting against the odds". We need a world where those things are irrelevant.
Yes, I'd like stuff not to matter - but unfortunately, right now it does, and pretending it doesn't doesn't help me.
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#16The reason that has come into style is because people have implicit associations and biases. And the theory is the best way to deal with them is to explicitly think about it.
Example.
You're hiring for a position. It is very technical. You see a bunch of candidates and then you just think some would be better suited to the technical role than the others.
Now, let's say you think: let me notice the gender.
Oh, this is funny. All the ones I rejected from the technical role as being "better suited to marketing" happen to be female. Am I being fair to them?
Now you reread the resume only focusing on the actual skills and you find that some of the people you rejected have stronger technical skills but you unconsciously downplayed it because of the female name.
(Or, vice versa, you rejected a male name for not being "the marketing type" when perhaps their resume suggests otherwise).
It would be better to read the resume without the gender clues. (Names removed, sorority and fraternity info removed, women organization removed etc) But without that I think we make it explicit just so we have a shot at examining the things we don't make explicit.
That is the theory, anyway.
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#17I briefly worked at a tech company making oil industry software in .NET in a Houston suburb. Not trendy, cubicles, but they paid fine (and unlike my current job the office was quiet). I quickly noticed that half of my coworkers were not only women, but a lot were people of color and older (I actually think I was the only person under 25 there). Many were managers too. The idea of inclusivity and outreach was never brought up.
I think the difference is that these companies are, for lack of a better word, more professional. Startups and SV tech companies seem to focus a lot on culture, people, outings, coworkers being friends, etc. The company I worked on just required you to not be unpleasant and do your work.
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#18If the problem is that unconscious bias makes a specific demographic under-represented in an area, industry, award, etc.. then how does making a target-demographic-specific area, quota, award, etc. solve that problem?
It just further exacerbates, or even serves to justify, the original bias-- you can continue to perpetuate the original discrimination on the grounds that there is a specific pool, quota, or designated award for "those people".
These policies strike me as really shitty band-aid solutions that treat the symptoms, not the causes, and-- if anything-- delay the wound from closing.
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#19>I want inclusivity, not exclusivity. Thank you. I find myself feeling the exact same way as a black man in this industry, and cringe at "minority only" events and clubs. We don't need token inclusion and separate praise for being "brave" and "fighting against the odds". We need a world where those things are irrelevant.
Watching from the sidelines as a white male, I have to say that I find these kinds of situations so confusing. Some people want these differences to be highlighted, while others like yourself want the complete opposite. I'm left believing that my only choice is to have no opinion. Though I lean towards your stance across the board.
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#20A lot of commentators from the SV world (and more worryingly recently also from Western Europe) completely miss the point and actually create new, worse divides and new, worse discrimination.
I applaud Maria on her strength and bravery to post a piece like this.