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US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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When I've been telling everyone that James Bond and other similar movies serve the same role as military parades in Soviet-block countries, and heavily scripted by the military, they told me that this is another conspiracy theory and I must be plainly wrong. I wasn't.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure everyone familiar with the subject knows that movie industry is an effective propaganda tool and has been used for this since forever for everything: military, police, democratic values. You just can't hide propaganda even if you want to.

On the contrary, in my experience most people believe that propoganda being used within western countries is a conspiracy theory.

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So in exchange for production support, DOD and IC reserve the right to back out if certain topics are broached, or if they’re represented in a way they don’t approve of. The movies and tv shows come to them, and they’re subsequently influenced as part of the deal. Am I reading this correctly? They’ve really tried to make it scary but I’m left feeling “well, yeah I guess that makes sense, sucks tho I guess”...

I agree. If they wanted to film at any major corporation, one of the major points in the agreement will be something like: "The film will present Acme Corporation in a positive light" with the consequence if they don't, the studio loses the right to film there and won't have access to corporate people & resources.

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When I've been telling everyone that James Bond and other similar movies serve the same role as military parades in Soviet-block countries, and heavily scripted by the military, they told me that this is another conspiracy theory and I must be plainly wrong. I wasn't.

James Bond is essentially a franchise built around the psychological need to cope with the collapse of the British empire and all of the associated loss of status that goes with it.

In other words, you are correct, Bond movies do not try to hide their nationalism. This is no great revelation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I'm pretty sure everyone familiar with the subject knows that movie industry is an effective propaganda tool and has been used for this since forever for everything: military, police, democratic values. You just can't hide propaganda even if you want to.

but it's yes, most people are not familiar with the subject. And you can hide propaganda. Only a very few people are familiar with what goes on. It needs journalism similar to the featured article to raise the awareness of more people. Consider that idea flawed? Then think about Snowden's revelations and the comments on HN before and afterwards.

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As a movie buff this doesn't surprise me at all. I'm still waiting for THE movie about the US intervention in Iraq, the same kind of movies that Apocalypse Now, "The Deer Hunter" and even Rambo I were for the Vietnam war. I think my wait will be in vain.

Syriana and The Kingdom criticize US politics in the region, but they mostly concentrate on Saudi Arabia or UAE.

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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So in exchange for production support, DOD and IC reserve the right to back out if certain topics are broached, or if they’re represented in a way they don’t approve of. The movies and tv shows come to them, and they’re subsequently influenced as part of the deal. Am I reading this correctly? They’ve really tried to make it scary but I’m left feeling “well, yeah I guess that makes sense, sucks tho I guess”...

These orgs are supposedly there to serve the interests of the American people. It's none of their fucking business how movie writers decides to portray them. History reeeeally seriously tells us that it is a big deal when the state is able to influence the media in a pro-military fashion.

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As a way to spread propaganda these efforts are probably as good as they can be in liberal democracy. The methods are subtly directing the "sentiment" and removing unwanted issues without trace. They are not trying to hammer ideology too obviously.

If you want to see clear modern US military propaganda film that reaches the pinnacle of Nazi wartime propaganda (not that obvious propaganda like "The Eternal Jew", but highest quality epic and inspiring movies with strongly embedded sentiment) you should watch Act of Valor (2012) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1591479/ The only problem with the Act of Valor is that it's not very good movie. The delivery of propaganda in the movie is perfect. It leaves you feeling the same way as the Nazi movie Kolberg (1945) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolberg_(film)

Re: US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

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So in exchange for production support, DOD and IC reserve the right to back out if certain topics are broached, or if they’re represented in a way they don’t approve of. The movies and tv shows come to them, and they’re subsequently influenced as part of the deal. Am I reading this correctly? They’ve really tried to make it scary but I’m left feeling “well, yeah I guess that makes sense, sucks tho I guess”...

yeah exactly. also you didn't need a freedom of information act to know this. I remember generals / DOD officials talking about it in a TV interviews (1996 independence day, 2007 transformers). directors are overly focused on realism for better or for worse, so a lot also goes to providing stock footage for inspiration, advice, and fact checking like 'is this aircraft meant for the role its portrayed in the movie'. e…

To give a source: Watch some of the behind the scenes on The Stargate TV series for a practical primer on what the Air Force required. It surely wasn't some requirement that everyone in the AF was a saint.
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