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Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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The state just needs to pass a better law. Apple is obligated by its contract to its shareholders to avoid taxes as much as possible; they are just avoiding a lawsuit. (I don't like this, but I understand it. The law just needs to catch up with the market, then everyone will be paying their fair share again.)

Has there ever been a lawsuit where the shareholders sued a company for not evading taxes?

Not sure, but there have certainly been CEOs fired for not making earnings.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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well, the state is bankrupt. partly because companies that embody its dreams are not chipping in with the bills.

I hardly think the states issues with money are Apples problem to solve. The state is bankrupt because its congress spends more than it takes in.

Yeah, might be eBay's problem soon though.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Judge Learned Hand: "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for…

Doesn't this just beg the question of letter vs. spirit of the law?

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Judge Learned Hand: "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for…

They are only avoiding some california taxes as well, at least according to the wiki page.

This is nowhere near as bad as IKEA, which is the largest charitable organisation in the world, pulling in billions of dollars a year, and paying out a million to help design new furniture.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Seems like a smart business move to me. Are we suppose to be upset about this?

well, the state is bankrupt. partly because companies that embody its dreams are not chipping in with the bills.

I can see both sides of it. These companies do provide jobs (income taxes) to people who can then buy homes (property taxes) and consume local goods & services (sales taxes, creation of more jobs, etc) but it's really unfortunate the tax system seems to be setup to put the biggest burden on individuals and small businesses that can't find creative ways out of paying taxes. There should probably be some sort of minimum tax for these companies posting billions in profits even if it only exists to break even and take some of the tax burden off small businesses. It certainly doesn't help that the state has been cooking the books for years. If the state can't even be honest with the people about budgets there's no hope of having a fair tax system.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state just needs to pass a better law. Apple is obligated by its contract to its shareholders to avoid taxes as much as possible; they are just avoiding a lawsuit. (I don't like this, but I understand it. The law just needs to catch up with the market, then everyone will be paying their fair share again.)

Has there ever been a lawsuit where the shareholders sued a company for not evading taxes?

It's not tax evasion, it's tax avoidance.

Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance is not.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Judge Learned Hand: "Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for…

That may be true, but the simple fact is that it's a lot easier for a large corporation to minimize its taxes than it is for a small business or individual. For example, a company like apple can afford to pay 10 people full time to move around money and assets in order to minimize taxes. Those people will save Apple far more than it costs to employ them. A 5 person company not only can't match that effort, but if they tried they would find that the necessary expertise cost more than the actual tax savings would bring. That gives large corporations a pretty significant advantage in the marketplace.

Re: How Apple avoids paying taxes in CA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state just needs to pass a better law. Apple is obligated by its contract to its shareholders to avoid taxes as much as possible; they are just avoiding a lawsuit. (I don't like this, but I understand it. The law just needs to catch up with the market, then everyone will be paying their fair share again.)

Has there ever been a lawsuit where the shareholders sued a company for not evading taxes?

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