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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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I live and work in France and I am well versed in this type of Visa. It's a very nice arrangement, but it's still France. It's still dealing with the same administrative burdens for everything else. You don't get treated special, you just have a special deal. I've said before that if France wants to attract foreign talent what they need to do is assign someone in the French administration to help workers get establis…

Disclaimer : I might be biased : I am currently waiting for my H1B to process in order to move to San Francisco. I have worked in France for most of my career so far. My first hand experience is of course limited (I only have 5 years of experience) but I really feel that the FrenchTech is overblown. There are some great startups but they are extremely rare. We have started hiring non french people in the startup I wo…

- very large aversion to new technology. Pretty much constantly lagging 1 to 2 years behind the rest of the community.

If by "technology" you mean web framework, then that sounds like a feature!

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Your reasoning about 20-80 doesn't hold. If, say, 20% people are violent and 80% aren't, does that mean you're 80% safe from violence? Of course not. It's exactly what we are talking about: Those 'commies' go well beyond oral discussions, they are materially hostile, with the ranges of consequences I explained above. This is why it's called extremism: They are not tolerant with other points of view. Anyway. You don't…

> Your reasoning about 20-80 doesn't hold. If, say, 20% people are violent and 80% aren't, does that mean you're 80% safe from violence? Of course not. You might want to read your initial comment one more time then, my observation was related to your statistic about anti-capitalist 'opinions', but now you seem to have switched to 'violence'. The point I am making is that debating ideas is important and having a const…

> Unless 20% of the population is ready to take up arms to install the dictatorship of proletariat, but I am sure you know this isn't the case.

I really, really haven't witnessed that those 20% are non-violent, much the opposite. They wouldn't install "dictature du proletariat" of course, but mugging moderately-rich people is a recurrent story in France. That's what I'm highlighting when I quote the "Petit Grégory", other stories of physical exclusion and physical violence, including the video of the Air France CEO being mugged by employees, sequestration of management teams until they sign off grants for employees, humiliation of Christian people without grounds... French people, until demonstrated otherwise, are hostile to successful people. Except JJ Goldman, but he's openly Communist-friendly.

You say it's all peaceful discussions, but I witness the violence, verbal to physical. And beyond those 20%, another 30% are happy bystanders, who wouldn't oppose if such a scene happened ("he's rich, he didn't donate to that homeless guy, therefore he had it coming").

Look, HN is not the best place for politics, it's rather a place to arouse one's curiosity. So please take note of the phenomenon I'm bringing to your attention (which is corroborated by 3-4 prople below), and you'll notice the phenomenon in real life if you pay attention.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Taxes are not higher everywhere, and where they are higher it's usually because there is really awesome infrastructure and a social safety net and other stuff you would normally want to finance collectively. Compare, say, the homeless situation in Berlin to that in San Francisco... or compare pretty much any bus system anywhere in the developed world to MUNI. One freedom Europeans have is freedom from fear of the pol…

Thanks for your response. Maybe taxes in California are crater than Croatia, but I would be very surprised if the average tax want much greater in Europe than in the US. Do you have specific places in mind? I also think fear of police is overblown in the US (maybe I would feel differently if my skin were a different color, but this doesn't appear to have a basis in data), and "freedom from fear of police" isn't reall…

Good example: There is no homeschooling allowed in Germany. And private schools and universities are rare. The public education system is full of international socialist propaganda.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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> Your reasoning about 20-80 doesn't hold. If, say, 20% people are violent and 80% aren't, does that mean you're 80% safe from violence? Of course not. You might want to read your initial comment one more time then, my observation was related to your statistic about anti-capitalist 'opinions', but now you seem to have switched to 'violence'. The point I am making is that debating ideas is important and having a const…

> Unless 20% of the population is ready to take up arms to install the dictatorship of proletariat, but I am sure you know this isn't the case. I really, really haven't witnessed that those 20% are non-violent, much the opposite. They wouldn't install "dictature du proletariat" of course, but mugging moderately-rich people is a recurrent story in France. That's what I'm highlighting when I quote the "Petit Grégory",…

> I really, really haven't witnessed that those 20% are non-violent, much the opposite. They wouldn't install "dictature du proletariat" of course, but mugging moderately-rich people is a recurrent story in France.

I have to admit I am starting to be confused about the 20% who are 'the opposite of non-violent' really are then. Since we were talking about opinions against capitalism and you made a connection to violence, I felt that you might be referring to certain fringe elements of the left who in fact, and typically during strikes, tend to riot, throw molotov cocktails and bust up some bus stops. But hey, while they are very visible when those things happen, you cannot seriously continue to make it like the 20% we are talking about are those people, it's intellectually dishonest.

Anyhow and with all due respect, there are more than just one problem with your arguments. For example, you seem to explain the motive of a crime that has been committed 30 years ago as vile jealousy and hostility to wealth and success in the French culture. The crime however remains unsolved to this day, the motive is still unknown, in other words, you are just using your own opinion as an argument. The rest of your demonstration is certainly entertaining to read as your tangents cover several populist bullet points with a little bit of virtuosity: the innuendo I think is aimed at immigrants although I am not entirely sure, and then those Greeks who don't pay their taxes, before finishing with locally grown groceries, apparently, but I have to admit you completely lost me here, and I would sincerely love to hear what you meant, it sounds fun.

I'll simply have the elegance to stop it there instead of covering the next 3 paragraphs who are in the same vein, but mostly because I chose to believe you are an intelligent person, and couldn't seriously come with something like this to make your case.

If you are ready for introspection and honestly accept to read your essay with a critical eye, you might observe that while the 4 paragraphs you wrote depict several different problems that you have identified in this country, the blame is always put on something or someone, and that's why France is such a clusterfuck to live in, and not a single time you have something constructive to say. In terms of negativity and exaggeration however, this is an open bar.

So, if you look at things objectively, you might realize that what you actually wrote simply is just: a rant, plain and simple. I think this also explains why you dared labelling me and attributing me thoughts that you suspected I had earlier. It is now very clear to me that you weren't replying to me, you were just sort of iterating your rent since you had apparently convinced yourself that I must be one of those guys of that group. It would be very nice of you to unregister me from that group you have clustered me in. And please just don't persist arguing with me on a discussion we are not having, let alone with such non arguments, having spent the first 30 years of my life in France, you realize my understanding of French capitalism isn't going to change after reading 3 or 4 testimonies in an HN thread.

Let me still contribute to your list of desirable changes that might help make things better in France. I think your essay could be seen as a perfect embodiment of something that might not just be a stereotype, but perhaps a little bit of a reality: a tendency to negatively complain about problems, without being constructive.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Disclaimer : I might be biased : I am currently waiting for my H1B to process in order to move to San Francisco. I have worked in France for most of my career so far. My first hand experience is of course limited (I only have 5 years of experience) but I really feel that the FrenchTech is overblown. There are some great startups but they are extremely rare. We have started hiring non french people in the startup I wo…

- very large aversion to new technology. Pretty much constantly lagging 1 to 2 years behind the rest of the community. If by "technology" you mean web framework, then that sounds like a feature!

Nah, I mean practical libraries that would actually help our codebase..

In my stack (Android) : started adopting EventBus while Rx was already pretty mature, deep into spaghetti code architecture while it has already been showed that variations around MVP or MVVM would be very beneficial.

I can't go into too much detail here but when there are some very big challenges around this product which faces an enormous memory usage and tons of memory leaks.

I am very practical and don't feel the need to use all the latest toys but here these are cases where the product could have been greatly improved by being a part of the community instead of living in an ivory tower where you are absolutely distrustful of external code to a ridiculous degree.

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Actually paying French income tax is pretty easy; it's paying US taxes if you are a US citizen working in France that's hard. I'm not sure Americans know that they are taxed on their income wherever they earn it. All other countries only tax your income that you earn in that country. French citizens don't pay income tax on their salary they earn in the US, but the reverse is not true. Not only do Americans have to pa…

You're right about the US being one of the few countries in the world that still tax citizens and permanent residents no matter where they are in the world. You are also correct you should get some tax accounting advice to file your US taxes[ ]. Having said that, the US provides two mechanisms to offset US taxes when you are living abroad: 1) For single income earners, the first ~$100K is exempt or "non-reportable",…

> 1) For single income earners, the first ~$100K is exempt or "non-reportable", known as the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion[1].

This is great, until you want to start a business or something similar. Then you enter the 9 circles of IRS hell.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Ooops, I'm an idiot! Thanks very much for telling me (and giving me the chance to correct my error).

The EU site is at http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/bluecard_en but as the thing is issued by the member states each country has their own website with information. For example, Germany (which issues about 85% of all Blue Cards) has some information here: http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/Arbeiten/BuergerDrittstaat/B...

Thank you very much for the link!! If my daughter and I end up in the EU, I owe you a beer! :)

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ooops, I'm an idiot! Thanks very much for telling me (and giving me the chance to correct my error).

The EU site is at http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/bluecard_en but as the thing is issued by the member states each country has their own website with information. For example, Germany (which issues about 85% of all Blue Cards) has some information here: http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/Arbeiten/BuergerDrittstaat/B...

Thank you very much for the link!! If my daughter and I end up in the EU, I owe you a beer! :)
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