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Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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The most interesting thing to me about "Facebook's intrusion could have easily been blocked, but plaintiffs chose not to do so," is that it implies that users have a right to block tracking code. If that isn't already enshrined in case law, hopefully it signals that we will not get laws passed requiring users to allow tracking, and the courts will hopefully invalidate terms and conditions requiring tracking. Having l…

> Having lived through the rise of DMCA, I live in fear of an emboldened industry getting laws passed that make the use and distribution of blocking software illegal. The day that happens I'm joining the dark side.

> The day that happens I'm joining the dark side.

Only if you make it past HR

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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I don't think so: I'm currently logged in on HN. When I open a new private window, I'm logged in as well. This is really annoying when you always use your web browser in private mode, but don't close it regularly. It means that e.g. youtube already builds a profile about me from my previous searches even though I'm not logged in. If I were that concerned I would close Firefox, but the usability issue is just too big…

> When I open a new private window, I'm logged in as well. Not in firefox, or, at least not for me.

Are you logged in in a private window? I use the setting "Always use private browsing mode" in FF52, so all of my windows are in private mode, but whenever I open a new (private) window, I'm still logged in. I suspect you'd get the same behaviour with the default settings, and opening two new private windows.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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I have a few questions. 1) “Facebook’s intrusion could have easily been blocked, but plaintiffs chose not to do so,” This seems like a dangerous precedent. So if we can block surveillance attempts and we don't try, then it's our fault? > “The fact that a user’s web browser automatically sends the same information to both parties does not establish that one party intercepted the user’s communication with the other,” T…

How do the courts rationalise privacy concerns of the less tech-savvy?

Do we assume everyone reasonably knows how to block surveillance attempts by Facebook/Google?

Shouldn't privacy be a default right, and that users can opt-in (to be tracked) with their expressed consent instead?

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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For me, the reason is "Because there are people on Facebook that I want to communicate with".

I stayed for so long for that very reason. My usage went down so much, that the only time I logged on was to briefly look at the news feed (of which I hardly recognized anybody anymore. Just posts by peoples' friends of friends). I decided to just cut it out and hope that I see those people again in real life. If not, then the road goes elsewhere. Feels a little more human.

>> Just posts by peoples' friends of friends

Yeah, I occasionally go through a lot of post and click "don't see any more stuff from MYCATS" or whatever. But it's gotten to the point where you just can't stop it that way either. I think "like" now means "see more crap from here" otherwise how would so many people be viewing so much junk.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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For me, the reason is "Because there are people on Facebook that I want to communicate with".

I don't know any people around me that have facebook that don't have another way to be reached. So there is something else that makes you stay.

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted.

I'm in a similar boat. That's just how a lot of people I know communicate. Sure they have other ways to communicate, but they don't want to.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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> When I open a new private window, I'm logged in as well. Not in firefox, or, at least not for me.

Are you logged in in a private window? I use the setting "Always use private browsing mode" in FF52, so all of my windows are in private mode, but whenever I open a new (private) window, I'm still logged in. I suspect you'd get the same behaviour with the default settings, and opening two new private windows.

FF53 on Ubuntu, stock settings.

And yes, you're right if I log in on either one of two private windows then the other one is also logged in. That's actually a bug in FF afaic.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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> Having lived through the rise of DMCA, I live in fear of an emboldened industry getting laws passed that make the use and distribution of blocking software illegal. The day that happens I'm joining the dark side.

> The day that happens I'm joining the dark side. Only if you make it past HR

Or past the firewall.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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Firefox has a pretty neat feature I discovered recently: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Projec... It lets you run multiple sessions in one window, where each tab belongs to a specific session with separated cookies and such. I've got a bunch of tabs where I'm logged in to Facebook, another set where I'm logged in to Google and the rest of them where I'm not logged in to either. Of course they c…

I've been tempted to write something that goes a bit further. I'd like traffic to each site to be routed through proxies with different IP addresses. (Perhaps even to the point where my devices are automatically managing a set of nodes or Lambdas on AWS.) Along with that, it will still be necessary to fix some browser information leaks that could be used for fingerprinting If someone is tempted to beat me to it, go f…

Thats going to break so many websites for you ... Pretty much any service that uses server side sessions across domains. Downloads are often whitelisted to a session, which get invalidated on ip changes.

Re: Facebook can track your browsing even after you've logged out, judge says

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The website owner still has the ultimate responsibility for what is served on their site. If they employ some "social media marketing expert" who deploys tracking code, then that's still on them.

On the other hand, Facebook could design their social media widgets in a way that doesn't require the user to send a GET request to Facebook unless the user actively clicks to share.

Also know as a link. That's not Web 3.0 enough.
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