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Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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Stock tracking websites don't need to be perfect, just need to be better than the humans they replaced. Faster, free, and less errors doesn't mean they must be error free. Self driving cars just need to be better than humans, and given the number of teens and senior citizens on the road...

As someone contemplating the purchase of one, a self-driving car needs to be better than me . That's a higher bar than better than average even if it's not objectively correct.

Do you ever use a taxi?

Because if you do, you are putting your life into the hands of someone who could be a much worse driver than you.

Instead of putting your life in the hands of a terrible taxi driver, would you put it in the hands of software that is on average better than a taxi driver? You are in a taxi, so you don't get to choose to drive it yourself.

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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One nice thing about SEC-regulated markets - unlike the various cryptocurrency markets - is that it's possible for trades to be rolled back if they are "clearly erroneous". That isn't perfect - if the data is only a little off, it might not be possible to get a trade rolled back - but it tends to limit how much havoc is called. https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-215.htm (My understanding is that trades can also…

Why can't majority participants in a crypto currency agree to roll back?

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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As someone contemplating the purchase of one, a self-driving car needs to be better than me . That's a higher bar than better than average even if it's not objectively correct.

Do you ever use a taxi? Because if you do, you are putting your life into the hands of someone who could be a much worse driver than you. Instead of putting your life in the hands of a terrible taxi driver, would you put it in the hands of software that is on average better than a taxi driver? You are in a taxi, so you don't get to choose to drive it yourself.

Not gp, but I would personally expect a taxi driver to be better than me seeing the amount of time the diver spends on the road. The driver wouldn't be profitable otherwise.

That said, I also mirror gp in that any self-driving car must be at least better than myself for me to trust it. I imagine that's a sentiment shared by many people.

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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One nice thing about SEC-regulated markets - unlike the various cryptocurrency markets - is that it's possible for trades to be rolled back if they are "clearly erroneous". That isn't perfect - if the data is only a little off, it might not be possible to get a trade rolled back - but it tends to limit how much havoc is called. https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-215.htm (My understanding is that trades can also…

Why can't majority participants in a crypto currency agree to roll back?

The majority of participants do not in a crypto-currency.

Only the majority of the hashing power.

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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One nice thing about SEC-regulated markets - unlike the various cryptocurrency markets - is that it's possible for trades to be rolled back if they are "clearly erroneous". That isn't perfect - if the data is only a little off, it might not be possible to get a trade rolled back - but it tends to limit how much havoc is called. https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-215.htm (My understanding is that trades can also…

Why can't majority participants in a crypto currency agree to roll back?

They did in Ethereum after the DAO got hacked.

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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Isn't that sort of what happened in the "flash crash"? Or was it purely market-makers and algorithms working their way down to 0? Big regulated markets now have circuit breakers to prevent this, unfortunately.

But the idea is that you put a buy option at the low price. Ie, you say "I would like to buy 1 million microsoft stock, at the price of 1 cent". The flash crash was cause by stop-loss orders. IE, if the price gets low, then sell. Instead of price gets low, then buy.

I am not a trader but I believe stock markets take place on an order book with bids at low prices and asks at high prices, with the market clearing in the middle. The upshot of this is that your trade for a million shares will sit on the books like everyone else's, waiting for a seller. If somehow a seller entered a market order to sell 1 million shares for whatever price it can get, and somehow the computer matched it to your order, then that would actually be the last price traded, i.e. a crash.

tl;dr: your strategy is more likely to contribute to a stock crashing than you think.

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Sometimes I wonder if it would make sense to place long-term buy orders at a ridiculously low bids. Just in case.

On Bitcoin exchanges, sure. But here I think there's too much liquidity and automated trading.

I believe the recent Ethereum flash crash demonstrated that this strategy wouldn't work for cryptocurrency either. Ethereum price dropped to $0.10, but it rebounded in about 5 seconds because trading algorithms put in lots of bids at the really cheap price.

Re: Finance sites erroneously show Amazon, Apple, other stocks crashing

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On Bitcoin exchanges, sure. But here I think there's too much liquidity and automated trading.

I believe the recent Ethereum flash crash demonstrated that this strategy wouldn't work for cryptocurrency either. Ethereum price dropped to $0.10, but it rebounded in about 5 seconds because trading algorithms put in lots of bids at the really cheap price.

It did work, but not for many.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14611653

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14690908

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