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Re: Saved by Alice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe I did? But you have to follow the rules regardless of how badly someone else broke them or whether they started it. I know how annoying that is. But it always feels like the other person started it and did worse, so if we don't approach the problem this way, it's a downward spiral for the lot of us.

>it always feels like the other person started it In this case, the other person said "Many people will just quietly write you off as a hopeless dweeb if you expose your laziness in this way." Is that not a personal attack because it's hidden behind one layer of indirection? >if we don't approach the problem this way, it's a downward spiral I get that it's not easy moderating a site like this when there's only two of…

You might be surprised at how much more work it is. We can't come close to reading everything, even in a context where we're already moderating, for the same reason cops don't ticket everyone who's speeding.

If you notice a bad post going unmoderated, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. Users can help by flagging those, or by emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.

Re: Saved by Alice

#52
post #40

I've always found the culture around software patents incredibly toxic. Very rarely are patents used as means to fund future work (which is their entire intention) and far more often they are used as an extortion tactic (even by non-trolls). And even if they were being used "correctly", software development is still poorer as an industry because of them. As they say, Stallman was right all along. https://www.gnu.org/…

Does anyone know what exactly Stallman means by 'functional part'? I would have assumed it to mean something like one feature, or perhaps one procedure, but that does not quite add up with his examples having two to three times as many 'functional parts' as they have lines of code.

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #50

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>I certainly would not consider it a personal attack. Fair enough. I suppose there's a certain type of person you've never had to interact with; but can you imagine the existence of such a person who, when they said "many people will just write you off as a hopeless dweeb", what they actually meant was "many people including myself..." or "all the people whose opinion matters..."? In other words, the sort of person w…

> can you imagine the existence of such a person I am acquainted with the "precious snowflake" theory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake ). I was hoping it wasn't true. Alas.

You're right. Asking if you could imagine such a person could be construed as implying that I'm only reacting to imaginary offenses like some sort of snowflake (after all, the word "imagine" was right there in my comment!)

So I'll be more clear; assholes that hide behind weaselly language are not imaginary; maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole, and if that makes me a snowflake then so be it.

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #52
post #40

I've always found the culture around software patents incredibly toxic. Very rarely are patents used as means to fund future work (which is their entire intention) and far more often they are used as an extortion tactic (even by non-trolls). And even if they were being used "correctly", software development is still poorer as an industry because of them. As they say, Stallman was right all along. https://www.gnu.org/…

Does anyone know what exactly Stallman means by 'functional part'? I would have assumed it to mean something like one feature, or perhaps one procedure, but that does not quite add up with his examples having two to three times as many 'functional parts' as they have lines of code.

If you read the paragraph that referenced it, it appears he's referring to constructs like 'if' statements and 'while' loops. In particular, he was contrasting the difference between mechanical engineering and software engineering:

> If I wanted to put an ‘If’ statement in a ‘While’ statement, I don't have to worry about whether the ‘If’ statement will oscillate at a certain frequency and rub against the ‘While’ statement and eventually they will fracture. I don't have to worry whether it will oscillate at a certain higher frequency and induce a signal in the value of some other variable. [...]

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can you imagine the existence of such a person I am acquainted with the "precious snowflake" theory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake ). I was hoping it wasn't true. Alas.

You're right. Asking if you could imagine such a person could be construed as implying that I'm only reacting to imaginary offenses like some sort of snowflake (after all, the word "imagine" was right there in my comment!) So I'll be more clear; assholes that hide behind weaselly language are not imaginary; maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole , and if that makes me a snowflake then…

> maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole

No, that's not your problem. (Though it's actually much more important to not actually be an asshole than to not be mistaken for one. People will make mistaken assessments of you throughout your life. If you let that bother you, you will never get anything done.)

Your problem is that you don't seem to understand what makes HN a cool place to hang out: there are really smart, successful people here who will give you incredibly high quality insights and answers to questions that you won't find anywhere else, and they'll do it for free. But the flip side of the bargain is that you not waste these people's time by asking stupid questions, i.e. questions whose answers are plainly stated in the linked article, or can be easily found with a simple Google search or on Wikipedia. If too many people break that rule, the cool kids will go away because they have better things to do with their time than read a site full of stupid questions. So if you ask a stupid question you will sometimes be called on the carpet for it, and sometimes the person calling you out will do it inartfully. There are a lot of aspies here.

But it is very important to understand that on HN the stupid question is the greater sin because those are what will drive the cool kids away more than the inartful calling out. (One of the things that makes the cool kids cool is that they actually appreciate it when someone calls them out because they learn something when that happens.) You can argue that lucb1e's question was not stupid, and if you win that argument, you can expect me to apologize. But if you focus on my use of the phrase "stupid dweeb" while tacitly conceding that lucb1e did ask a stupid question then you are missing the point: the stupid question does a lot more harm than the inartful calling-out, so we let the latter slide more than the former.

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. Asking if you could imagine such a person could be construed as implying that I'm only reacting to imaginary offenses like some sort of snowflake (after all, the word "imagine" was right there in my comment!) So I'll be more clear; assholes that hide behind weaselly language are not imaginary; maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole , and if that makes me a snowflake then…

> maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole No, that's not your problem. (Though it's actually much more important to not actually be an asshole than to not be mistaken for one. People will make mistaken assessments of you throughout your life. If you let that bother you, you will never get anything done.) Your problem is that you don't seem to understand what makes HN a cool place to ha…

>you don't seem to understand what makes HN a cool place to hang out ... the stupid question does a lot more harm than the inartful calling-out

I guess I have a different perspective on HN than you do; because I've never noticed the "cool kids" wasting their time by griping about stupid questions (presumably they just scroll past them), and I've never seen anyone I consider one of the "cool kids" give warning that they were going to leave HN because of stupid questions.

EDITED to add: And I do know smart, successful, insightful people who don't post on HN precisely because of the kind of behaviors that you want to "let slide".

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> maybe I attach too much importance on not being mistaken for an asshole No, that's not your problem. (Though it's actually much more important to not actually be an asshole than to not be mistaken for one. People will make mistaken assessments of you throughout your life. If you let that bother you, you will never get anything done.) Your problem is that you don't seem to understand what makes HN a cool place to ha…

>you don't seem to understand what makes HN a cool place to hang out ... the stupid question does a lot more harm than the inartful calling-out I guess I have a different perspective on HN than you do; because I've never noticed the "cool kids" wasting their time by griping about stupid questions (presumably they just scroll past them), and I've never seen anyone I consider one of the "cool kids" give warning that th…

I'm not griping about the stupid questions. The occasional stupid question is forgivable. Everyone asks stupid questions sometimes. But the proper response to being called out for asking a stupid question is, "Wow, you're right, that was a stupid question, sorry about that." Not, "Hey, that wasn't very nice!"

HN is a site dedicated, ultimately, to high-tech entrepreneurship. In the startup world, if you don't do your homework, or worse, if you get offended when someone calls you out for not doing your homework, even if they do it undiplomatically, even if they level actual personal attacks at you, you will lose, and your competition will happily dance on your grave.

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