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Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by moomooc »

lars_francke wrote: post #29

Looks very nice. Looking forward to what's coming. I tried to share a document via mail, clicked on "Get Share Link" and allowed public access and then closed the window with "Ok". I'm still asked to log in. When I click on Share again my share link is gone. So this doesn't seem to work currently.

Thank you very much for the feedback. We'll work on improving the share dialog. If you notice anything amiss with the UI, please don't hesitate to reply. It's feedbacks like this that makes the team eager to get things done! :)

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by pzht »

RubenSandwich wrote: post #28
moomooc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the input! We just thought that it's a great idea to let visitors try out the product immediately on the landing page. We'll look into improving the whole demo process.

I think a video would better communicate your product then a demo would. Why? Because people don't have time to figure out all of your features, give me a short one min introduction with important features. Now I'm not saying remove the demo, but the demo is for after they are interested and want to evaluate your claims.

True, gona start planning it out! Appreciate your comment much :)

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by pzht »

robertcope wrote: post #21
tomyip wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback. It's in beta now, and pricing is still in the works as we strive to provide value yet offer an affordable pricing. As the company behind Vecta, we have been profitable for a long time and has been making CAD software, for a while, and so we won't be going away anytime soon, well, at least that's the plan :)

I think those are the same words every new business ever have said. You need to address pricing, even if it is stating that we're not sure yet. As it is, it looks like you just want to avoid the topic. Also, assure me that my diagrams can be exported, backed up locally, etc. Maybe a github integration or something similar? Anything that lets me know I'm not locked in. I won't allow my data to be locked in.

Thanks for raising your concern to us, but we're by no means trying to avoid the topic as we're like what you said, not too certain of the pricing yet. We're pro to freemium model atm. Rest assured, we'll ensure your data won't be locked in and is well integrated with other platforms. Thanks for helping us to improve on our users' experience, we'll work hard on that :)

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by interstedSurfer »

Recently, I evaluated different JS drawing tools and libraries.

Its very cool that your web app does not clog the whole CPU like similar tools. Can you tell a little bit about the technology stack. Feel freeto skip questions if they are too invasive.

1. Do you use a drawing library or is this in house?

2. Do you store the SVG-objects as JS-objects?

3. If (3), how do represent the SVG-objects? (I looked into hyperscript).

4. If (3), how do you render the JS-object version to SVG in the DOM and update them? Do you use something like React, i.e. 'render' the whole thing to a VDOM and then update changes in dom for each update, or do you bind each SVG object to its JS object via an Observer?

4. A drawing app has obvouisly many states like UserCanSelectObjectByClick, UserClickedFirstPoint, UserMovesRectangle. Do you use state machines, generators, or sagas to implement these flows?

6. Do you use Websockets? Which library would you suggest? (A classical choice would be socket.io, but it is relatively heavyweigh).

7. Do you somehow abstract the mouse-events with jquery or d3? Any plans to support touch?

8. What happens if two users modify the same object?

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by arethuza »

chii wrote: post #19
gexla wrote: post #4

Product demo should probably be specific to your session. It's great to be able to try it. But unmoderated user content front and center on your main page doesn't work so well. ETA: More specifically, there was a lot of flashing of offensive text.

> Product demo should probably be specific to your session. i agree, make it a per-user demo. THere's so much in the demo document on the front page that it lags and prevents scrolling...

At the moment the shared demo is pretty much unusable due to people deleting stuff before you can do anything with it.

Which is a shame as it actually looks like a pretty nice tool.

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by WhitneyLand »

- First impression is impressive. Clearly a large amount of work and engineering effort invested that ended up in a powerful product. Well done.

- You need a damn video on your home page! Many click and try products don't need this. But here the collaboration aspect simply has no chance to fully shine and show it's true potential in 60 seconds without a short demo video.

- An API / Plugin option would be great to see, as would an embeddable version. Understand this may not fit your priorities / business model.

- Why no iOS or Surface support? Seems like iPad Pro, with or without pen, would be a great fit and not require a huge amount of development to make it happen. The work needed for this would also enable Surface Pro to work as a touch/pen experience. iPad Pro and Surface Pro combined have a significant amount of corporate users > revenue potential.

Re: Show HN: Vecta.io - Team diagramming with an advanced SVG editor

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Post by WhitneyLand »

robertcope wrote: post #21
tomyip wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback. It's in beta now, and pricing is still in the works as we strive to provide value yet offer an affordable pricing. As the company behind Vecta, we have been profitable for a long time and has been making CAD software, for a while, and so we won't be going away anytime soon, well, at least that's the plan :)

I think those are the same words every new business ever have said. You need to address pricing, even if it is stating that we're not sure yet. As it is, it looks like you just want to avoid the topic. Also, assure me that my diagrams can be exported, backed up locally, etc. Maybe a github integration or something similar? Anything that lets me know I'm not locked in. I won't allow my data to be locked in.

>same words every new business ever have said

No.

Being backed by a longer term profitable entity that has related tech, is definitely not what most new SaaS vendors say. It's not a guarantee but it's a legit plus.

SaaS startup promises and unsustainable offers are a real and serious concern. But when a product is just getting launched, still in beta, there's nothing wrong with them taking some time to figure out the parameters.

The very thing you are demanding makes it prudent for companies to do everything they can to get pricing and promises right.

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