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No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

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Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

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post #7

Is this a parody or for real?

I think real. Although I didn't read all of the article I think the main thrust was that since 2pi appears in so many places in math that a constant based on the ratio of circumference to radius rather than diameter would be more appropriate. Realistically I think there are better ways to spend your time but ....

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

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post #7

Is this a parody or for real?

It's real (see my blog post about it: http://math-blog.com/2010/06/28/forget-pi-here-comes-tau/ ).

Note that your equality \(e^{i\tau} = 1\) implies only that \(e^{i\pi} = \pm1\), hence is strictly weaker than Euler's equality (which picks a sign). I think that you might have meant \(e^{i\tau/2} = -1\). (Is there a way to do LaTeX properly here?)

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

#13
post #3

Interesting how people equate "I don't like x" with "x is wrong"... If that's the definition of "wrong" that people use in discussions, I see why science has such a hard time getting through to the public.

To be fair, even though I disagree with them, they did try to show through their examples why they believed pi to be wrong.

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

#16
The demonstration of how to derive the circle area formula was the clincher, especially because of how similar that derivation is to other famous classical physics formulae. That was the only example I could previously conceive for why pi was still useful, but now I see that the factor of 1/2 in A = (1/2)τr² shouldn't be avoided.

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

#17
I really like this "modest prpoposal." In its spirit, I suggest that from now on we refer to 13 pies as a "taue," sort of a bakers' dozen of pies as it were. Tau Day will be the new Pi day, but students would be inspired to bring and share many times more delicious home baked goods as before.

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

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post #10

Tau is an awful symbol in my opinion. If the people who support double pi as the true symbol they should be writing papers with a definition of double pi and truly proving to the mathematical community that pi is the wrong definition. I personally think pi*D is a perfectly sane way to describe pi and that thinking in 180 degrees is just as easy as in 360 degrees. Once the math community is convinced good luck with en…

Tau is an awful symbol in my opinion.

Agreed, mainly because it's already used so widely in so many very standardized ways (including many constants). Of course, most of the Greek alphabet has been used by convention for one thing or another, and people would find it all but impossible to change those habits.

If the people who support double pi as the true symbol they should be writing papers with a definition of double pi and truly proving to the mathematical community that pi is the wrong definition. I personally think piD is a perfectly sane way to describe pi and that thinking in 180 degrees is just as easy as in 360 degrees.*

I don't think many people would dispute that 2pi is a much more natural angular constant than pi, the haters are absolutely right, we're stuck with all sorts of extraneous and unnatural factors that are simple powers of 2 because of that "mistake".

But long standing convention is hard to break. Every formula list in existence uses pi, as does every textbook, lecture, and problem set. Every formula that people have memorized is in terms of pi, and that's not something you can alter by fiat.

I fear that however well-intended, this may be a losing battle. It reminds me a bit of people complaining about the negative charge on the electron - yeah, you might be "right", and there are certainly some annoyances that we put up with as a result of the "mistake", but it's over a hundred years too late for that to matter, you're never going to get a critical mass of people to change.

Though I will say, at least if a new symbol is used for 2pi, it's possible to get a few people to change over, since using that notation is not mutually exclusive with using pi (whereas the charge of the electron is a choice that has to be made, and if you make a different one from your peers, there's going to be a lot of friction).

Re: No, really, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto (Tau Day, 2010)

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I may get down modded for this but I just have to say, this is more like a religious propaganda than science. Throughout the article they have only demonstrated how a particular community is more comfortable with using double pi. I totally believe in what wwortiz said in his/her(sorry cannot open your website) post. If they like the tau so much they should be writing papers on its advantage.

I think scientists should be more concerned about finding and confirming important things than releasing such propaganda.

EDIT: OK I don't usually do this, but I would like anyone who downvotes me to leave a small note on why this time. Its really important to me

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