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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by icebraining »

cmahler7 wrote: post #93
anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

Germany is currently raiding people's homes for posting anything they deem "hate speech" online. Facebook can be fined 50 million now for not removing what the German government deems hate speech. No WrongThink allowed in Germany. That isn't "freedom" in my mind and I think any member of HN should be horrified at the precedent being set for the future. What happens when someone who comes into power determines "hate s…

On the contrary, Germany is only doing what the Americans taught them was effective against Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Censorship

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by kakwa_ »

sgroppino wrote: post #19

It will be interesting to see how French engineers and computer scientists see this type of visa. The perhaps equivalent H1B visa in the US is or was obviously a big plus in certain areas but was lately perceived as an abuse channel to get cheap labour to replace the locals. Hopefully this scheme won't be abused...

1) As far as I know, this is only communication stunt. There was no new legislation that eases immigration, it falls in the current set of laws and regulations that didn't seem to cause major issues for now (at least for engineering jobs).

2) At least on the posted website, there isn't any big SS2I/ESN (Societe de Service en Ingenerie Informatique/Entreprise de service du numerique, aka meat renters, like Capgemini, Atos, Sopra-Steria...) or big employers (like Thales, Snecma, Airbus...) in the list. The list seems kind of legit as it seems to be constituted only of small start-ups.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by aussiegeek »

Danihan wrote: post #108
madeofpalk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a very similar requirement for their visa (I'm specifically referring to E3, which is the H1B for Australians) which only lets in 'skilled' people, defined by a university degree (or 3 years of work experience for every 1 year of degree, so a total of 9-12 years). It was pretty disheartening to get a job offer from a big tech firm in New York only to have any chances shot down because of visa...

At least it's only a 4-year degree though.

Australian degrees are typically three years

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by GuiA »

ToFundorNot wrote: post #126
GuiA wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that's the big debate, isn't it? Is a 4 years anglophone BSc equivalent to a 3 years european Licence, or 5 years Master? When I was applying to grad schools in the US, my French undergrad was not recognized as a proper undergrad - it had to be a 5 year Master (I snuck around that restriction by spending a year in the UK and getting a british BSc). But of course, French institutions consider 4 years american deg…

If their system is anything like in Quebec (probably is), the three year is the same as a 4 year (or 4 is the same as 5 for engineers). In Quebec there's a stage between secondary school, and post secondary which lasts 2-3 years. In terms of years, it looks like this: Primary:1-6 Secondary:6-11 Pre-Post Secondary: 12-13 Post Secondary 14-17(14-18 for engineering/etc.) In the end they are equivalent, however different…

I've studied, taught, interviewed, hired, and worked with many computer science majors from both sides of the system. There's no rule to quickly compare the two in terms of how useful they are in the industry/a research lab.

For example, I've found the average MIT or Stanford BSc to be in a similar league as the average French student from a top 5-year school (eg INSA Lyon, Polytechnique, ETH Zürich, etc).

On the other hand, the average engineer out of a state university BSc is not quite as good as the average engineer out of a French public university licence program.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by germanier »

hluska wrote: post #65
germanier wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is (one of many) websites made by private companies that try to appear as official as they can without being (and collect some "fees" on the way). I would be extremely surprised if there were actual employers on that site or if they would actually provide a useful service regarding the real application.

Ooops, I'm an idiot! Thanks very much for telling me (and giving me the chance to correct my error).

The EU site is at http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/bluecard_en but as the thing is issued by the member states each country has their own website with information. For example, Germany (which issues about 85% of all Blue Cards) has some information here: http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/Arbeiten/BuergerDrittstaat/B...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by rockinghigh »

cakedoggie wrote: post #119
wavefunction wrote: post #90

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W the bank thing, I had to do that with Wells Fargo when I moved from Colorado to Texas in 2009.

Sure, but the French example is moving suburbs in a city. The could have moved less than a few km and had a problem.

This cannot be true. I have multiple bank accounts in France and never had to do this.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

byroot wrote: post #123
realusername wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"engineer" in France is a regulated title you can only get through a degree (like Germany?). Actually I'm not even sure most foreign schools degrees would be accepted as engineers in France.

That is slightly inacurate, "Engineer" is not a regulated title in France. What is though is the "graduated engineer" (Ingénieur diplômé) title. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_des_titres_d%27ing%...

You are discussing about the university degree (as the parent did), but there are other usages of the word "ingénieur" in France beside diplomas.

In France "Ingénieur" is also a civil servant title, or a title given to someone who did that job and is now retired (I am "Ingénieur honoraire" and have a master but no "Ingénieur" diploma).

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by rockinghigh »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #73
anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

You don't have Trump, but other than Switzerland, any of the European countries are within a generation of being ruled by an autocrat with far more power than Trump. From Franco in Spain, De Gaulle in France, Hitler in Germany and even some the of post WWII Chancellors were pretty autocratic. In addition, Europe seems to have far more tolerance for government intervention in everyday life. In addition, especially in…

You may want to read about who De Gaulle was. Comparing him to Hitler or Franco is ridiculous.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by boobsbr »

magnusdeus123 wrote: post #106

I've been looking forward to more details about this program emerging seeing that I'm a french-speaking francophile who recently made a transition to a career in programming. The minimum education requirement being a Master's degree is quite disappointing. I fear they are making the same mistake as Japan when the latter introduced their points-based immigration system that requires you to be fluent in Japanese with a…

Have you considered Belgium? Take a look at http://www.actiris.be. Lots of opportunities there.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by Majestic121 »

rockinghigh wrote: post #136
cakedoggie wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the French example is moving suburbs in a city. The could have moved less than a few km and had a problem.

This cannot be true. I have multiple bank accounts in France and never had to do this.

It really depends on the bank, I had to change accounts as well when I was with Credit Agricole, but all is fine and dandy since I am with Boursorama
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