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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by Danihan »

scottLobster wrote: post #83
pjmlp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

And Europe wonders why it doesn't have any serious Facebook/Google competitors. An engineer is anyone who uses technology to solve a problem. Now there's a massive spectrum of quality there, but a piece of paper or two and some classwork doesn't make you an engineer. Or even a particularly good engineer. Just the other day I explained how Hash Tables work to someone with a Masters.

Was it a masters in CS?

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by romwell »

weberc2 wrote: post #52
dna_polymerase wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might get higher numbers, but they are paid in Dollar which is less worth than Euro, also everything is more expensive there than it is here, especially rent and food.

Rent is far cheaper in the U.S. My last apartment was $450/month for 600 sq ft in a good neighborhood. I paid $650 for less than half of that in rural France. Food is probably cheaper too, though not as dramatically. I'm sure there are lots of perks to living in Europe, but rent is not among them.

Where the hell are you living in this country?

Just curious, 'cause the rent in places like Waterloo, IA is about twice the number you quoted.

And there's not much going on in Waterloo, IA.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by rorykoehler »

corford wrote: post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

On top of this Macron wants to ban encryption (just like May in the UK). It all sounds like lip service and bluster from here.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by goobynight »

expertentipp wrote: post #23

Just a friendly reminder: as of today there has been a state of emergency in France for over a year now. We are talking about situation with regular army with full automatic assault weapons on the streets and police authorized to enter apartments without court order.

Meanwhile, others on hacker news preach about how free Europe is. Love it.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by GuiA »

rorykoehler wrote: post #115
corford wrote: post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

On top of this Macron wants to ban encryption (just like May in the UK). It all sounds like lip service and bluster from here.

He has. That being said, he has nominated some semi competent people for tech related things (eg Mounor Mahjoubi as ministre du numérique) so hopefully that was all campaign talk and won't actually get implemented.

Fingers crossed.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by GuiA »

davidivadavid wrote: post #82
jgh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe a "Masters" in France is roughly equivalent to a Bachelors in USA/Canada. At least that's my understanding from friends in France who basically refer to a high school diploma as Baccalaureate.

Nope. At the university, a "master" is something you get after studying for 5 years, roughly. After 3 years, you get a "licence", which is equivalent to a BA/BS. Engineering schools use a slightly different system, but it's roughly equivalent.

Yeah that's the big debate, isn't it? Is a 4 years anglophone BSc equivalent to a 3 years european Licence, or 5 years Master?

When I was applying to grad schools in the US, my French undergrad was not recognized as a proper undergrad - it had to be a 5 year Master (I snuck around that restriction by spending a year in the UK and getting a british BSc).

But of course, French institutions consider 4 years american degrees to be equivalent to 3 year French degrees (rightfully so in their mind - after all, French people don't waste anytime declaring their major or taking general ed classes, which they have taken in high school; their class load also tends to be higher)

Tl;dr each country thinks their degree is better than the other's

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by cakedoggie »

wavefunction wrote: post #90
corford wrote: post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

W the bank thing, I had to do that with Wells Fargo when I moved from Colorado to Texas in 2009.

Sure, but the French example is moving suburbs in a city. The could have moved less than a few km and had a problem.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by sheepmullet »

slau wrote: post #25
raitom wrote: post #13

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No, around 40k€ / year, before taxes.

Sure, but it's not just that. The quality of life could be argued to be significantly higher than in other places. The job security once you land a decent gig is not something to be discarded. This being said, Macron does plan on making it easier for people to be fired, in order to make it easier for companies to hire. This is a big topic that I could rant for hours about. You do get all-inclusive health care. In add…

Every year I work in the US I save enough to take 1.5 years off work.

France is a beautiful place. Can I earn (in year equivalents) a similar or better amount as a senior developer?

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