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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by thaumasiotes »

mattmanser wrote: post #77
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have Trump, but other than Switzerland, any of the European countries are within a generation of being ruled by an autocrat with far more power than Trump. From Franco in Spain, De Gaulle in France, Hitler in Germany and even some the of post WWII Chancellors were pretty autocratic. In addition, Europe seems to have far more tolerance for government intervention in everyday life. In addition, especially in…

It's 72 years since Hitler or Mussolini, how's that within a generation?

RcouF1uZ4gsC probably confused "within a generation" with "within living memory".

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by cmahler7 »

anonyfox wrote: post #15

At this point it seems that many Europe nations are more "free" than the US. Now with same-sex marriage getting legal in germany the probably last big issue is resolved. You will not get extreme high salaries like in the US, but there is stuff like free higher education and getting serious medical care won't be expensive at all. Also remember that the EU has a higher population than the US with very diverse countries…

Germany is currently raiding people's homes for posting anything they deem "hate speech" online. Facebook can be fined 50 million now for not removing what the German government deems hate speech. No WrongThink allowed in Germany.

That isn't "freedom" in my mind and I think any member of HN should be horrified at the precedent being set for the future. What happens when someone who comes into power determines "hate speech" is anything that goes against them?

Ironically, Germany has returned to Nazi policies in their attempts to prove they aren't Nazis anymore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/europe/germany-36-a...

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by SilasX »

pjmlp wrote: post #20
seiferteric wrote: post #8

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

Yes, I think the term has been abused and overused, but it's equally wrong in the other direction to dismiss all tech talent simply for lacking a graduate degree.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by Ankaios »

Glyptodon wrote: post #88
pjmlp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I've never been comfortable with the widespread use of the term "engineer" in software design and development contexts, but that doesn't change the fact that it's kind of a joke to try requiring a master's degree for what's ostensibly a startup/tech oriented visa program. I certainly have the impression that many founders and developers have only bachelor's degrees, or are self taught.

I know a CPU designer that avoids the term "software engineering" and instead calls the profession "software arts & crafts." :)

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by andrewstuart »

smuss77 wrote: post #94
seiferteric wrote: post #8

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

Guess they haven't figured out you can't masters yourself to competency, or they know and don't care.

>> or they know and don't care

Thereby proving that the emperor has no clothes.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by Caveman_Coder »

467568985476 wrote: post #40
pjmlp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

Yes we do? "software engineer" is a very common job title.

So are sales engineer/HVAC engineer/stationary engineer/chief engineer/critical facilities engineer/etc...seems like the word, and required training associated with it, is slowly getting cheapened by throwing the title "engineer" on everything.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Post by pcurve »

notadoc wrote: post #18

This seems sort of like the kind of visa system the USA would advertise to attract a particular talented group, does it not? The founder visa looks quite friendly and easy, but it's four years. What happens after that? And what if the startup fails, does the founder have to leave France? I also wonder how appealing these international visa programs will be in light of the changing US immigration and visa system. Will…

"The founder visa looks quite friendly and easy, but it's four years. What happens after that? And what if the startup fails, does the founder have to leave France?"

I think that ambiguity is by design, to attract certain type of demographics for people falling under the employees and founders groups. (i.e. young, unattached, adventurous)

For people falling into the investor group, I seriously doubt getting visa renewed after 4 year will be an issue as long as they are willing to bring in additional capital.

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