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Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #79

> I paid $650 for less than half of [600 sq ft] in rural France. No way. Or you came with a baseball hat saying "I am a rich Yankee, please swindle me" on the front and "I like to pay twice the regular price" on the back.

I was near Bruz in 2012 and there rent was something like 450 Euros. Even if I overpayed by 100%, the market is still less expensive in the U.S.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #56

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

I believe a "Masters" in France is roughly equivalent to a Bachelors in USA/Canada. At least that's my understanding from friends in France who basically refer to a high school diploma as Baccalaureate.

Nope. At the university, a "master" is something you get after studying for 5 years, roughly. After 3 years, you get a "licence", which is equivalent to a BA/BS. Engineering schools use a slightly different system, but it's roughly equivalent.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

And Europe wonders why it doesn't have any serious Facebook/Google competitors.

An engineer is anyone who uses technology to solve a problem. Now there's a massive spectrum of quality there, but a piece of paper or two and some classwork doesn't make you an engineer. Or even a particularly good engineer. Just the other day I explained how Hash Tables work to someone with a Masters.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I don't have a degree (just 35 years of experience shipping products at companies you have definitely heard of). Some of the best engineers I've worked with haven't had degrees. One guy I know (who will never have to work again) didn't even bother to graduate from high school. A few of them have written papers published in academic journals. There is definitely more than "a few lines of code" involved in their careers.

I guess if you're a bureaucrat designing a visa, requiring a degree makes sense. But saying that people lacking degrees aren't good engineers is crazy.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

Sounds like there are lots of opportunities...for startups, to improve these areas.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I'd like to see you tell John Carmack that he's not an "engineer" or any other accomplished engineer that didn't graduate with a degree.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #39
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I'm a self taught dev with 15+ years' experience. I only got a degree a few years ago (did it while working). Honestly, I learned exactly nothing useful that I didn't already know. I do a lot of hiring and, in my experience, having a degree (or indeed the class/score of said degree) has no relation to the real-world abilities of candidates.

99% of the time I never even look at the education history of a candidate. At least once it's turned out that someone I've interviewed (and who was hired) turned out not to have a degree. Honestly, not a big deal.

Oh, it's fun if they went to the school I dropped out of [I don't mention that I don't have a degree]. "Is professor Xyztmxl still teaching the OS course, and can any students understand him at all?" Good times, at the end of an interview, when things went well.

But education is almost always irrelevant. I prefer seeing wide-and-deep experience in someone from a no-name school to someone from MIT/Caltech/whatever who's just been pootering around on some narrow Java project for years.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

I've never been comfortable with the widespread use of the term "engineer" in software design and development contexts, but that doesn't change the fact that it's kind of a joke to try requiring a master's degree for what's ostensibly a startup/tech oriented visa program. I certainly have the impression that many founders and developers have only bachelor's degrees, or are self taught.

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #20

Wow you have to have a graduate degree to even be an eligible employee, never mind.

As it should be. We don't have people calling themselves engineers just because can type a few lines of code.

When I got my job at NeXT computer I remember Steve Jobs saying to me that there were only two people there without degrees, and he was one of them (and I was the other.)

Re: Welcoming Tech Talent from Around the World to France

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post #46

It looks great on paper but the devil will be in the detail and how well they execute on the admin/bureaucracy side. If my experience a few years ago with the auto entrepreneur scheme and URSAFF are anything to go by, you'll need a lot of patience, the ability to speak half decent French and a sense of humour if you want to avoid ripping all your hair out :) I love France (have even married one of their citizens!) bu…

W the bank thing, I had to do that with Wells Fargo when I moved from Colorado to Texas in 2009.
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