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Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

What do you ask for to have your blood checked?

Would whatever tests they do as part of a routine blood tests in a physical include it or is it something separate you'd have to ask for?

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason more females have it is because of blood loss from periods (Iron is needed to make up Red-blood cells). I had IDA for over a year. My doctor tried to fix/ mask it with iron supplements, turns out was a coeliac. Which explains why I was constantly felt lethargic/ hung-over. Pro tip: Don't trust everything your doctor says (new Dr suspected it and ordered tests straight away).

> blood loss from periods ...is a whopping 10-35 mL per period—hardly enough to cause a nutrient deficiency.

"In women of reproductive age, periods are the most common cause of iron deficiency anaemia."

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Anaemia-iron-deficiency-/Pages/...

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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post #30

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Various deficiencies are definitely a problem in my friend population, where many of them are vegans. The vegan diet is a diet of deficiencies, and since none of them are particularly careful about what they eat, I worry that it is making them all worse off. Iron and B12 may be the most obvious, but also D3, calcium, zing, animal based nutrients like creatine, and I'm sure others. Unfortunately, this becomes a touchy…

This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. The move away from Milk products & Eggs seems to open a huge nutrient gap that the vegan population hasn't adequately identified how to fill.

How do people with Lactose intolerance get their nutrients then?

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. The move away from Milk products & Eggs seems to open a huge nutrient gap that the vegan population hasn't adequately identified how to fill.

> This is surprising to me, as in India a large part of the population is vegetarian. We don't seem to be susceptible to the same problems. In India, vegetarians typically do eat dairy products (although not eggs). Dairy doesn't contain a ton of iron and cobalamin (vitamin B12), but it's a non-negligible amount, and it's possible that that alone accounts for the difference. Remember that vegetarians in India also eat…

Can't you get enough iron from vegetables such as broccoli?

Women lose iron during menstruation and feel anemic sometimes.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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Possible reasons: Diet (any non-red meat eating diet for nutrient deficiencies, or too much meat due to reliance on fast food), drug/stimulant use (YOLO culture?), More sedentary lifestyle (Desk jobs, social media for 'entertainment'), Lack of resources to take time off from work (too many hours + high rents = no time/money to do have non-home hobbies) The interesting statistic was the urban regions were less pronoun…

> drug/stimulant use (YOLO culture?) [...] The interesting statistic was the urban regions were less pronounced than the suburbs, which may indicate something either cultural or economic that may drive this change.

"Energy drinks" (Red Bull, Monster, Rockstar et. al.) blew up in the late '90s/early 2000s or so. As far as I remember, early marketing for these was heavily targeted at "extreme sports" fans and practitioners of their less-extreme variants (e.g. skateboarding). I wonder if that targeting might have something to do with the urban/suburban split.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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post #101

Iron deficiency anemia (IDA) has been associated with strokes in young people. IDA doesn't necessarily have pronounced symptoms and a diagnosis with a blood sample is simple and cheap. It is often considered a "female disorder" but it's only slightly more common in females than males. tldr: Have your blood checked. [1] https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crinm/2012/487080/ EDIT: As most follow up comments seem to center…

What do you ask for to have your blood checked? Would whatever tests they do as part of a routine blood tests in a physical include it or is it something separate you'd have to ask for?

First off, for the record, routine physicals/wellness exams are not evidence based.

That being said, theres nothing about routine physicals/wellness exams that are standard. Every doctor/clinician has a different idea of what a routine physical is and many (most?) ignore official guidelines. I've had routine physicals from many different doctors (I've moved a lot) and ever single one of them do something different. One didn't actually touch me other than blood pressure (which was done by a medical assistant) but ordered a ton of "routine" blood work and talked to me a real lot. One listened to my heart, lungs, looked at my eyes, nose, throat, and felt every single one of my organs (that she could) but didn't order any blood work at all. Some call to see me every year some don't call until a few years later. Then there's this nonsense - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/32293/

So absolutely nobody knows what your doctor orders, you'll have to ask them. (Which you should do anyways).

Routine screening of individuals without symptoms or other indications can also harm, so caution is warranted: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-skeptical-look-at-screeni...

"I would like to be screened for anemia" is what you would say to your doctor.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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post #4

Sleep deprivation is known to cause strokes, take a look at how many millennials are expected to put in 80-100 hours for a 40 hour check , extreme high competition overtime just to hold onto their seat.

There are several numeracy issues with the story.

The first is strokes are incredibly rare. Going from 5-ish to 10-ish per 10K hospitalizations. "When I was that age" I was never hospitalized once, so you need to factor in how many times that group is hospitalized. I would theorize its extremely rare leading to perhaps better diagnosis or something rather than actual medical effects. Also its worth contemplating that "when I was that age" a kid who stroked out on coke was considered a coke related death not a stroke related death. A classic example when I was that age was the story of "Len Bias" a basketball player who celebrated being drafted by the Celtics by snorting coke until he died. There was quite a circular firing squad of blame but attitudes in that era were unified that coke killed, not strokes, despite the medical definition and all that.

The next numeracy issue is there's about 84 million in the group and unlike previous generations its not white majority and there are considerable differences in race and ancestry and socioeconomic group. Basically that group can't be usefully compared to historical groups because its literally a different people. You wouldn't compare Bolivia with Nigeria and claim the comparison means anything when there's no relationship between the separate and unrelated groups of people. Its entirely possible that (now older) middle class professional Scotts-Irish have a different stroke profile than formerly Mexican peasant villagers. Apples to Oranges means nothing. That group is a different nation merely coincidentally happening to inhabit the same plot of land. Like comparing the medical issues of the pre-Crusades residents of Jerusalem to Crusades ere residents. Or pre- and post- Holocaust ghettos in eastern europe. Its a different people, the comparison means nothing.

The next numeracy issue is there's 84M in the group, as of May 15 2015 Time magazine (per google) claims only 53M are in the workforce. As of 2013 Gallup poll indicated only 43% of the group have a full time job, and 43% of 83M is 36M. So there's a lot of handwaving involved, but when only 36M out of 84M are working full time, overwork is probably not statistically possible to double the instance of strokes. That would imply strokes are something like six times more likely among full time workers. Basically the socioeconomic group is extremely poor and disenfranchised and no percentage of ivy grad programmers dying at their desks at video game companies is numerically high enough to double the entire groups stroke rate. There are not enough SV programmers such that if they all died of strokes it would boost the numbers. Whats killing kids can't be work because the employment stats are so incredibly dire, permanent long term economic decline and all that.

Re: More Millennials Are Having Strokes

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post #55

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> How can a vegan diet be more balanced? It lacks diversity which as far as I understand is the primary foundation for good healthy diet. How does it lack diversity? There's far, far more non-animal foodstuffs in the world than types of meat/fish... Also, most traditional and 'varied' diets contain far more vegetable matter than meat anyway.

Yes, and all those non-animal foodstuffs are available also to normal people, in addition to additional foodstuffs which come from animals. Vegan diet is less diverse by definition, as they merely limit themselves, they do not eat anything non-vegans can't. Simple maths.

You're confusing there space of possibilities with the space of what's actually consumed. An omnivore's diet is not more diverse if they only eat pepperoni pizza.
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