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6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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I know hardly anyone likes the MSM (myself included), however is this stat so bad? Is it anything unusual for any other industry? Mature industries consolidate - its just a fundamental nature of the growth process. How many corporations control packaged chicken? cell phones? cement? No doubt the voices behind such "X mega-corps control Y" are in fact just advocating for legislation changes to mandate that they get a…

> Is it anything unusual for any other industry? Isn't that a big problem? Monopolies and oligopolies are crippling capitalism. The "too big to fail" conglomerates become just a part of the political system instead of the economic one. With the media industry, it gets worse, as it has an important role in keeping the democratic and economic powers in check. > No doubt the voices behind such "X mega-corps control Y" a…

> Monopolies and oligopolies are crippling capitalism.

There's nothing happening now that is new. That has been repeating for 150 years post the Civil War industrial boom in the US. There are few examples of new, high competition industries not consolidating down to several big companies that stand above the rest.

Retail? Mom & Pop shops -> Walmart, Target, Sears, Amazon, BestBuy, Kroger, Costco, CVS, Walgreens, etc.

Software? Little companies circa 1970s, 1980s -> Microsoft, Oracle, Salesforce, SAP, etc

Search engines? Lycos, Hotbot, AltaVista, Yahoo, Excite, MSN, Inktomi, GoTo, etc. -> Google

Steel? Dozens of steel makers -> US Steel

Oil? Dozens of refiners -> Standard Oil

Automobiles? Hundreds of car makers -> Ford & GM

Thousands of radio stations -> SiriusXM, Pandora, Spotify, Apple, Google, Amazon

Hundreds of auction companies -> eBay

A thousand newspaper classified ad sections -> Craigslist

A thousand computer makers -> Dell, HP, Gateway, IBM, Apple, etc

These are all the same conceptual scenario playing out.

That process is not in fact a bad thing. The only bad thing is if you allow the enlarged companies / winners (ie the companies with superior products/service/price/combination), to then prevent new competition through regulation (or direct violence). If you do that, then you get obnoxious airlines, or companies like Comcast, or crap automobiles such as what GM and Ford were producing for a few decades until a wave of foreign competition arrived (GM and Ford being prime examples of utilizing government to aggressive prevent competition).

There's no scenario where even bad Capitalism (usually a combination of abusive government and abusive companies conspiring) doesn't kill itself. US Steel for example was killed by potent, nimble, cheaper foreign competition. GM and Ford had to figure out how to make higher quality cars again, as Toyota (and others) stole a huge amount of their market.

I can't think of even a few examples where such consolidation has occurred, resulting in a horrible dominant product/company, in which the government hasn't played a primary role in ensuring said company's survival via regulatory protection. External to that, the market topples the eventual winners time and time again.

Kodak was a monster in photo/camera, now where are they? Sears, toast. US Steel, toast. Pennsylvania Railroad? Doesn't exist. Pan-am? Doesn't exist. Standard Oil? A bit player, split into pieces, in a far larger global oil market. Microsoft? The Windows empire has been largely neutralized by Apple, Android, Linux in general, etc. Intel? The ARM army has put them in a box. Cisco? They're being made increasingly irrelevant by innovations such as those by Facebook in the datacenter, software is eating their pricey hardware. IBM? Who? Xerox? Irrelevant, largely toppled by Japanese competition. Alcoa? Smashed by China etc. Ford and GM? A dozen big foreign competitors took half their market.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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A big difference between the US media and the rest of the developed world seems to be a complete absence of state-owned/subsidized/run media. To me, this seems much more problematic than the limited competition between corporate media. In the US, it seems that news/stories/investigative reporting without some commercial interest to some company tends to go underreported. There is no money in being critical towards bu…

> A big difference between the US media and the rest of the developed world seems to be a complete absence of state-owned/subsidized/run media. PBS and NPR, both modern day liberal, fascist, so called, news hacks, loyal to the Democrats to a fault. > To me, this seems much more problematic than the limited competition between corporate media. The US is not China, that is a very, very good thing.

You're literally contradicting yourself. Something cannot be both liberal and fascist (a philosophy characterized by authoritarianism and limited individual freedom)

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What other sources do you use, I ask as an over 30 something who wants to see how the other half lives?

Eh. Tough question. You don't want to make the mistake of using sources with an opposite mindset to the prevailing media. Prevailing media has a strong democratic bias. Opposing media has a strong republican bias (breitbart, oann, etc). Better media doesn't give a shit. I suggest sott.net, global research, strategic culture, mises.org, the intercept, reason, opslens, the unz review, counterpunch, zerohedge. KEEP IN M…

Brietbart and oann have strong republican bias but mises and reason don't? /:

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Some might ask why this matters. The problem with these six mega-corporations is that they are controlled by a handful of billionaires and a few distasteful foreign governments that do not have the best interests of Americans in mind. These corporations own the US legacy media outlets (e.g., CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc) and most of the larger online US news sites. They have, in my opinion, been quite effective at brainwashi…

> I've long ago moved on to better news sources Any recommendations?

Nakedcapitalism.com

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it's bad. It doesn't really matter if it's "usual" or not, that's a different question. Most industries consolidate into large behemoths that are incredibly inefficient and only stay in business due to patents and buying up all the resources (e.g. cell-phone companies, comcast, certain chip-makers). Innovation dies. And you're right, it's happening right now with youtube defeating the these corporations, and that…

>But if one of these companies somehow bought youtube from google, that'd be bad, because consolidation (especially around distribution of information) is typically bad. So youtube2.com can never be created? How long has Instagram been around? Furthermore, your premise is financially flawed. How is the bankrupt NYT going to buy google? The MSM is turning into the "horse buggy whip" situation. Its an old, out-dated in…

The point is that big companies with financial backing will use market advantage to stifle competition before it gets a chance (e.g. buying up the spectrum for cell phones, lobbying to prevent broadband competitors, patenting very basic concepts, buying up competition in its infancy).

You can argue they missed the boat on buying youtube and putting it to their own ends (e.g. YouTube prime is only comcast subscribers). It sounds like you want to disagree with me, but my two points are [and you haven't really provided arguments against either]

1. There is insufficient competition in the market (cell phones, ISP, computer parts, and many others). Much of this is due to deliberate actions by larger companies to protect their pie.

2. The consolidation of media is bad for consumers, and its death is good. The level playing field of a public internet made all the difference.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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While still small, Netflix probably represents one of the bigger threats to the Big 6. Of course, this makes it a prime merger target. [0] Netflix is not mentioned in the article. [0] https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/11/15/better-buy-the-wal...

I'm thinking how Netflix compares to the traditional media. On demand services have much less control of what we're going to watch. Bigger catalog -> better service -> less control.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Why is GE on this? They don't own NBC. Should be updated for 2017. It's not 2011 anymore.

I noticed that, too.

Clear Channel is also not Clear Channel anymore and do not own 1100 stations.

It is interesting the conversation it has started in this thread even though it is based on false and out of date information. I guess people just accept the infographic as reliable truth and go with it.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Some might ask why this matters. The problem with these six mega-corporations is that they are controlled by a handful of billionaires and a few distasteful foreign governments that do not have the best interests of Americans in mind. These corporations own the US legacy media outlets (e.g., CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc) and most of the larger online US news sites. They have, in my opinion, been quite effective at brainwashi…

What other sources do you use, I ask as an over 30 something who wants to see how the other half lives?

I've been enjoying The Economist and Aljazeera lately. Intelligent news that covers important things happening all over the world, not just the USA.

I'm also interested in the same question. It's hard to find news that is both covering important long-term issues and trying to seek the truth of the matter. Plus I get frustrated at how insular news in the USA is, many of the USAs problems have already been somewhat solved in other countries but the media rarely mentions them. So citizens and politicians waste time spinning their wheels and arguing about theoreticals instead of learning from experiments that have already been done.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Some might ask why this matters. The problem with these six mega-corporations is that they are controlled by a handful of billionaires and a few distasteful foreign governments that do not have the best interests of Americans in mind. These corporations own the US legacy media outlets (e.g., CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc) and most of the larger online US news sites. They have, in my opinion, been quite effective at brainwashi…

When I ditched cable TV about 7 years ago I lost track of these outlets. I can't say I've missed them. I occasionally open cnn.com if I'm bored, mostly because it's quick to type.

I have a (physical) subscription to the Economist, which is where I get all my serious news. I can't tell you how great it is to read the news without the page content shifting all around because of ads loading.

Re: 6 Corporations Control 90% of the Media in America

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Some might ask why this matters. The problem with these six mega-corporations is that they are controlled by a handful of billionaires and a few distasteful foreign governments that do not have the best interests of Americans in mind. These corporations own the US legacy media outlets (e.g., CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc) and most of the larger online US news sites. They have, in my opinion, been quite effective at brainwashi…

When I ditched cable TV about 7 years ago I lost track of these outlets. I can't say I've missed them. I occasionally open cnn.com if I'm bored, mostly because it's quick to type. I have a (physical) subscription to the Economist, which is where I get all my serious news. I can't tell you how great it is to read the news without the page content shifting all around because of ads loading.

Given the 90% number cited in the headline, you are living a world few of us inhabit.
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