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Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#11
This just feels like an save-face operation.

If these fellas want to show their commitment to changing it will require two things in my opinion:

1. A prolonged period of time without further incident.

2. Perhaps some dedicated effort to supporting, monetarily or otherwise, the elimination of this sort of behavior at the structural level? Start a campaign against sexism/harassment or something? Though to make it not appear disingenuous they ought to do so in a fake name--that's the problem when you're outed as a manipulator in a position of power, literally every subsequent move you make reads like manipulation. The McClure case as described in the NYT article wasn't too extreme and it is possible that some of it was misunderstanding and the he is being honest--it sounds like, for instance, 500 could have decided to end their conversations with Kunst for reasons beyond the message, but we'll never know. For instance I cannot help but feel the majority of this piece is McClure looking out for McClure and not giving a shit about actually being sorry. Of course I don't know that, but trust is difficult to regain.

Granted, McClure's fuck up does jive with the context he describes here, but it just becomes very difficult to believe any of these apology letters are genuine until some time has passed in which that is shown to be the case.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#12
post #7
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me cynical, but I suspect all these apology posts are written largely by the poster's PR firm.

I'm okay with that. Actual apologies, ghost-written or not, have been rare in US business until the past year or so. Apologies aren't the same as reparations, of course, and should be followed up by that.

I don't think the trend to more genuine sounding apologies reflects an increase in actual empathy/understanding. I just think PR firms have realized you can't get away with the old "sorry if you got offended and can't handle my awesomeness" pseudo-apology nowadays.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#13
Best part is the woman who confronted the CEO about being a serial sexual-harrasser and ended up CEO.

Edit: Re-reading I can't tell what his title was, only that she was CEO after the fact.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#15
Not sure what to say, or how to make things whole for his victims as there is a very wide spectrum of consequence between 'boys will be boys' and capital punishment.

I really encourage him to think in terms of 'next steps' to make amends when it comes to those affected by his behavior. Anything less, in my completely and totally unqualified opinion, is but self-serving lip service.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#17
post #6

I keep a 100% wall between work and personal life for a reason. Anyone I'm doing business with I see at best as a coworker or business acquaintance, so there is no risk of merging those two realms. If you are powerful man or woman, you should be aware that people who know who you are treat you differently. This Dave McClure guy actually thought all these women were into him purely because he was some amazing dude and…

Isn't there only a risk because you're a creep?

My best friends have been those that I've worked with and never once has that been a problem for me because I know how to be an appropriate human being.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#18
post #6

I keep a 100% wall between work and personal life for a reason. Anyone I'm doing business with I see at best as a coworker or business acquaintance, so there is no risk of merging those two realms. If you are powerful man or woman, you should be aware that people who know who you are treat you differently. This Dave McClure guy actually thought all these women were into him purely because he was some amazing dude and…

Not commenting on this case, but Billy Graham, after seeing what happened to other well know preachers, was never alone with any woman except his wife Ruth. It is a pretty good strategy. Today, a powerful person could probably enhance his/her personal security by having an assistant with an always on camera like some police forces use.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#19
I can't help it but I can't find any reason to consider this as having > 0 information. You are absolutely forced and 100% expected to do this in a situation now, right?

I, honestly, find this very disturbing (black mirror way), regardless of my opinion on the matter at hand.

Re: I'm a creep. I'm sorry

#20
post #8

I've got to wonder, why do coworkers go out for drinks if it's not a social setting? I don't understand the logic of mixing alcohol with colleagues if you're still under the "workplace" umbrella.

I don't really understand socializing with co-workers outside of work under any circumstances, but especially with intoxicants involved. This includes company holiday parties, etc. Let work be work, and keep your social life separate. I've seen far more bad than good come out of such things.
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