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Re: Saved by Alice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole boring thread could be avoided by providing a tiny bit of context in the title.

Or by reading the article. Good grief, what's the matter with kids today?

Title comes before reading.

How's that workin' for you, the acting like an ass part?

Re: Saved by Alice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us (where "us"="me") come to the HN comments first, because they load very quickly and can help us decide whether to read the article at all. Especially since many of the headlines are pretty opaque due to reuse of ordinary words in computing contexts.

You are of course free to approach HN any way you want. But if you choose not to read the article and end up asking a stupid question as a result you should not be surprised when you get called out for asking a stupid question. The signal to noise ratio here is extraordinarily high in no small measure because people are expected to do their homework. You may not realize it, but I'm doing you and lucb1e a favor by tel…

Perfectly put. I rarely read submissions myself but I refrain from asking about them.

Re: Saved by Alice

#23

I can see two rules that would help immensely with trolls: 1. There should be an absolute maximum on the litigation that can be brought against any organization for any reason in a given time period (say, a year), and that total cost should not be able to exceed some tiny fraction of its total operating costs for that period (parent companies included, to avoid hiding actual illegal activities in subsidiaries). In ot…

The first rule is too easily exploitable. Defensively engage in litigation between a pair of complicit entities that consumes the entire litigation budget, and then go around screwing everyone you can over while going "nah nah nah, you can't sue me"

Re: Saved by Alice

#24

I can see two rules that would help immensely with trolls: 1. There should be an absolute maximum on the litigation that can be brought against any organization for any reason in a given time period (say, a year), and that total cost should not be able to exceed some tiny fraction of its total operating costs for that period (parent companies included, to avoid hiding actual illegal activities in subsidiaries). In ot…

Of course with absolute legislation like this you're going to end up with someone abusing the rules. Already been sued too many times this year (as any large company is)? Congratulations, you're now immune to lawsuits.

Re: Saved by Alice

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So... what is Alice?

Good question -- the article talks about the case, but doesn't say much about the company. A cursory look at their website makes it appear that Alice Corp. is probably a non-practicing entity (aka patent troll) in the financial services space. Does anyone know if they actually have a business aside from licensing their patent portfolio?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Corp._v._CLS_Bank_Intern...

http://www.alicecorp.com/fs_patents.html

Re: Saved by Alice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the linked page does not adequately explain what Alice is. To me it was clear that it was some important court case and they just want to call it "Alice". But I can understand why it might be hard to understand for some.

The first sentence of the article is: > In Alice v. CLS Bank, the Supreme Court ruled ... That introduces the context pretty early and clearly.

And "Alice v. CLS Bank" is linked to an article that explains exactly what it is: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/bad-day-bad-patents-su...

Re: Saved by Alice

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This is meta, but I it would be awesome they'd add a slight margin to the text on mobile, it's very difficult to read if the text starts on the border of the page.

Re: Saved by Alice

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post #27

This is meta, but I it would be awesome they'd add a slight margin to the text on mobile, it's very difficult to read if the text starts on the border of the page.

On my white phone it looks bad, but on my black phone it works - I wonder what the dev had? ;)

Re: Saved by Alice

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So... what is Alice?

There's a link, but you're right it's way too subtle. Anyway:

> Alice Corp.'s patent claimed a form of escrowing that was well known. Called an “intermediated settlement,” it allowed a third party to act as an intermediary by creating “shadow accounts” for parties, and only allowing transactions to go through if the “shadow account” showed the party had enough money. Oh—and it was done with a computer.

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