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What exactly is "buzzwordy" about "software stack" or "ML"? This is legitimate jargon that means specific things. We use these terms routinely at Google internally.
In context with 'strategy' it implies you need a "ML strategy" to somehow deliver value to customers. That's buzzwordy.
NYPD is canceling its Palantir contract
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nonsense
I welcome you to start your next hot startup in 2017 using Swing/Java instead of React/React Native/Node/Ruby/Python/Go/Rust/C++ etc. The merits of the stack are determined by both intrinsic factors and the market. Ignoring the market (remember Palantir is hiring in SV / Palo Alto) you risk alienating potential hires and current employees. [1] Another great example is EHR/EMR market with Mumps etc. [1] https://www.qu…
Sure, but isn't Java basically the biggest language in the world? And it can't "limit development velocity" more than C++.
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The problem with Swing is that everything in Swing looks like a dog's breakfast and nobody under 40 knows how to use it.
> nobody under 40 knows how to use it. Wow, you must be a grumpy old man, hating those youngsters. They can't even tie their shoelaces alone... Actually I have seen some people under 40, who could use a microwave oven, use a smart phone, and some could even use desktop applications. I believe many of them can find their way around stuff outside the web browser. Regarding developing swing apps as "use swing": I have m…
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The problem with Swing is that everything in Swing looks like a dog's breakfast and nobody under 40 knows how to use it.
That is because they are all busy trying to make HTML/CSS/JS work like GUI tools we already had in the 90's, while failing to do so without major hacks, which then get written in blog posts as some kind of victory. React is the latest example of it. Great! They just discovered how many 80's UI's used event loops.
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That is because they are all busy trying to make HTML/CSS/JS work like GUI tools we already had in the 90's, while failing to do so without major hacks, which then get written in blog posts as some kind of victory. React is the latest example of it. Great! They just discovered how many 80's UI's used event loops.
I have a lot of sympathy for this view. But the results are that a good-looking Web UI is better accepted than a consistent and full-featured Swing-based UI, in no small part because it's more difficult for Web designers to make Swing apps look good.
Maybe they should bother to learn how to do it in first place?
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#146I'm experienced with both IBM software and Palantir and I am truly surprised by that bit in the article - imo IBM haven't put out anything intuitive since OS/2!
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They are saying "don't work for them" / boycott them. They are arguing that if they had no employees, they would cease to be.
I still don't get why Palantir is making the world worse, besides being apparently a bad product.
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Swing isn't actually bad if you have a good look-and-feel. Easier to design a Swing UI than a webapp with similar functionality.
The problem with Swing is that everything in Swing looks like a dog's breakfast and nobody under 40 knows how to use it.
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The issue with Java/Swing is that it limits development velocity and makes job less appealing for current employees. While HTML5/JS is not without its own problem. Yet using it over a native framework like Swing, enables the development process to leverage external knowledge (Open Source libraries, etc.). This problem is further worsened when your competitors in enterprise Business Intelligence space can leverage tho…
Hardly. I work in a company who's stack was Java from the beginning as a "scrappy startup." Some of the folks who have been here the longest are some of the first to jump on any heavyweight Enterprise Stack they can think of.
Re: NYPD is canceling its Palantir contract
#150Palantir has an outdated software stack (Java/Swing). Their genius lied in creating "mythical image" and cleverly overselling it to the less proficient government agencies (apparently NSA was smart enough to see through the ruse). And then in turn sell the "spooky/mysterious" image to bunch of naive Stanford/Berkeley undergrads and convince them to work for peanuts. Sadly in 2017, their tech stack is falling apart, t…
Java is one of the most widely used languages in the world. I get the impression that people who think using Java is an issue are usually just hiding their own inadequacies by repeating hype they read on the Internet.