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Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

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Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#32
Those accusations can come from weird places. I was once accused of sexual harassment by a male coworker (I'm a straight male, and a father of two). When summoned by HR to face the victim it turned out that he felt that touching his screen (when explaining something) violated his personal space. Not that it is necessarily relevant to your case but if you feel innocent then you probably are - unless you're a psychopath, that is.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#33

Honestly, i would quit and burn the bridge. If they can't show any evidence and can't even tell you what wrong you did, why bother dealing with this nonsense?

Anonymous sources can say you're a pedophile and I'm a canabal hatchet murderer, and face no consequences for making false claims.

Furthermore, for those with very thin skins (SJWs) whom see microaggressions everywhere, it's fine for them to use whatever tools are available because the ends justifies the means, as a person, in their mind, is guilty merely for being born with innate identity privilege attributes. SJW behavior is disproportionate retribution combined with stereotyping.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#34
I have a question for people reading this thread (it's something I've been pondering a lot lately).

If for whatever reason, person X makes person Y uncomfortable, shouldn't Y tell X about it, and X stop the behavior/languages that caused the situation?

I think people make mistakes all the time, and some of them are quite honest/unintentional. What happened to "Let's learn from our mistakes?"

Not to be confused with people who make the "same mistake" all the time, in which case I think their behavior should not be tolerated.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#35
It's not really possibly to provide solid advice, nobody here knows the full details of the situation. But here's what I (might) do:

1. Ask them to put everything in writing, if it isn't already in writing.

2. If you're thinking about quiting, talk to a lawyer.

3. If you quit, consider making a case against them for constructive dismissal.

I'd probably quit. It sounds horrible, and I couldn't work in that environment.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#36

It's certainly a phenomenon that exists, we've all seen and heard of false accusations to damage people's reputation, business, and such. "Scandals" have been around since humans have, it's gossip, it's libel, it's whatever you call it. Question: did they provide you with any substantial evidence? Anyway, ultimately your case and many others is why the law is at it's very core based on an innocent until proven guilty…

No substatial evidence was provided. After being told that I made a woman feel uncomfortable, I immediately apologized for any harm I would have caused. I then asked if its possible to know what I said or did that caused this discomfort to insure I do not repeat an offending action. Management said they could not divulge this information for privacy reasons. So at this point, I feel there is really no evidence other…

Wow. That's disturbing!

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#37
Really the only sound advice anyone can offer is "keep your head down until you naturally part" or "leave now via a mutual agreement" so as to not cause any of the harm you're afraid of causing. We only have a few tidbits of information from you - this isn't to say that I disbelieve you, but rather that it's impossible to give proper advice without knowing far more about what's going on; anything else is just going to be speculation, likely driven by personal biases and spurious opinions.

Professionally, stick it out with your nose to the grind stone and leave with work experience on your resume, or part ways now on good business terms if you're really worried that something else is going to happen.

If you are really worried about communication via the stick-it-out option, just try to keep it via email and business oriented. There's nothing wrong with dropping the pre-tense of small talk in conversations and keeping an email just to "Hi [name], I'm working on X and was wondering if you could provide Y for me as it will help a lot. Thank you, fjfkdjfjfjd"

I must confess it's very hard not to project my own prejudices and biases here; I tend to be of the opinion that a company wouldn't bother with such a PR disaster if there wasn't something that troubled an employee - my past managerial experience with such situations is that most are caused by well-meaning but socially awkward and oblivious young men not realizing that what they say or do makes people uncomfortable. (Luckily for our business, all parties were able to come to a mutual understanding that it was a misunderstanding after my investigation, and the issue was forgiven and a friendship established by the parties) We also had several cases that were genuine harassment and punitive action had to be taken.

With how little there is for anyone to go on here, everyone is going to be relying on their own past experiences - my experience is "where there's smoke there's fire", others see false claims, but neither is going to be right because we can't comment.

So, if you're worried professionally, just weigh the benefits of actions here - you can pursue it, make noise, and maybe get a pyrrhic victory of principal while damaging your professional career, or you can let this one go, focus on your professional life, and move on. We don't have the information to give any better options; you do. If you share more (honestly), we can advise more, but if this is what you feel safe with, then just take the safe approach, stick it out and/or move on.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#38
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Keep an open mind. I don't know you, nor your coworkers, but you may have done something that feels "normal" to you but is actually inappropriate without even realizing. That's why it is important to raise awareness on misogyny and the rape culture: a lot of the problematic behavior seems perfectly normal and acceptable to the perpetrators, but it's really not. Not saying that's what happened with you, but it could h…

Yes and ask HR for honest feedback, specifically for improving one's professionalism. They most likely won't do it, but let them be the one to be unprofessional.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#39

Nobody is accusing you of sexual harassment. They said what they said. You are making some woman uncomfortable. Try to first believe what they said instead of getting paranoid. You are an intern and probably don't have a lot experience on professional behavior. You might be trying to get be friendly but that is coming out as creepy. Stop trying to do small talk if the other people don't start small talk with you neve…

" You are making some woman uncomfortable."

So what? nobody makes you feel uncomfortable at your job?

If nobody is accusing him of sexual harassment, what is he being accused exactly?

It seems like an important point that they forgot to tell him. The guy don't even know about what he is being accused.

When that started to be OK?

My perception is that the woman complained about him, he is not important in the company and HR don't want to deal with the mess, specially in the current climate of political correctness. So they inflicted an injustice on him.

How I know it was an injustice? because they punished him but they didn't tell him what he did wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?

#40
> believe that question was cleared up once they responded to me that they were going to see their boyfriend/girlfriend.

This sentence is kind of interesting. So, you were 'just making small talk', until they told you they had a boy/girlfriend, and then, you just ... stopped 'making smalltalk'? :-P

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