The World is full of technology at your disposal. Use it! Do not Fear the HATERS If you are that uncomfortable One DOCUMENT everything especially when you feel threatened you have right too! This sounds like a personal Vendetta against you by someone who does not like you ? Stay friendly and Cordial, but quick in your Hi and Bye. RECORD with your phone any unrelated uncomfortable incidents. And find a New JOB but before you leave that Job so those sexual harras. Charges do not follow you! One week before you leave Press charges against that Company for Violating your Rights Its all he say she say and its just someone higher up thats got it in for you someone kbows someone who knows someone who doesnt like you Get some Legal Advice feom a Shark then Harpoon The problem and 9 times out of 10 you will find out who was hating on you When you go public with a problem and go corporate the Loser Will show themselves ashame and guess what Now there JOBLESS for lying and now the HARRASEMENT cases belongs to them and its another win for THE GOOD GUYS! WHO SAYS WE FINISH LAST Might take you some time to get there tortoise, but You can out think the HARE! Plot, Plan, Apply, Record! And DOCUMENT , DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT USE that CELLPHONE i know you keep it close Now Apply And im almost certain you will see that SNAKE SLITHER out the high grass! SHES watching You! And tell No one what your doing They will try to Stop you But Keep recording them. VERBAL VIXENS! TRICK BITCHES get on my Nerve Ok i hope i was a help to you and GOOD LUCK L.L.L.
Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
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Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#12Keep an open mind. I don't know you, nor your coworkers, but you may have done something that feels "normal" to you but is actually inappropriate without even realizing. That's why it is important to raise awareness on misogyny and the rape culture: a lot of the problematic behavior seems perfectly normal and acceptable to the perpetrators, but it's really not. Not saying that's what happened with you, but it could h…
> "Are you doing anything fun this weekend?"
Its basically like he almost raped her.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#13The World is full of technology at your disposal. Use it! Do not Fear the HATERS If you are that uncomfortable One DOCUMENT everything especially when you feel threatened you have right too! This sounds like a personal Vendetta against you by someone who does not like you ? Stay friendly and Cordial, but quick in your Hi and Bye. RECORD with your phone any unrelated uncomfortable incidents. And find a New JOB but bef…
Wow, that reads like Francis Dec.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#14I would suggest a lawyer. Even though it looks like no charges have been filed, it could be the company's fault for not investigating properly. IANAL
>looks like no charges have been filed
Charges? I don't think you mean criminal charges, but you may mean a more formal HR investigation.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#15It's certainly a phenomenon that exists, we've all seen and heard of false accusations to damage people's reputation, business, and such. "Scandals" have been around since humans have, it's gossip, it's libel, it's whatever you call it.
Question: did they provide you with any substantial evidence?
Anyway, ultimately your case and many others is why the law is at it's very core based on an innocent until proven guilty paradigm. Once you take that principle away, you put all the power in the accuser and none in the accused, which is objectionably unjust.
I've recently seen a few very disturbing comments on HN and from similar people (above-average education, born into privileged conditions, politically left, etc.), who naively believe that this is a bad or somewhat ineffective paradigm, and that we should "just believe" rape accusations, because ???? shrug. It disheartens me that some people can be so blindly ignorant about the law and human nature. We only need to take a short walk down history lane to explicitly see that if you give one side of anything human-related an enormous amount of power (like in this case if accusers are believed before evidence), there will be many who abuse it. It is human nature, and the law prevents it from reining free and causing utter chaos.
In your case, by the sounds of it they did not present to you any form of evidence (right?) to show you your misconduct. No sexually harassing text transcripts, no internal email transcripts, no witnesses, nothing. What this is is chaos and injustice, under the guise of some very malformed concepts of "progressiveness", and it's unfortunately ever-more prevalent.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#16Honestly, i would quit and burn the bridge. If they can't show any evidence and can't even tell you what wrong you did, why bother dealing with this nonsense?
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#17The World is full of technology at your disposal. Use it! Do not Fear the HATERS If you are that uncomfortable One DOCUMENT everything especially when you feel threatened you have right too! This sounds like a personal Vendetta against you by someone who does not like you ? Stay friendly and Cordial, but quick in your Hi and Bye. RECORD with your phone any unrelated uncomfortable incidents. And find a New JOB but bef…
Wow, that reads like Francis Dec.
I don't know what you MEAN, I read it just FINE.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#18I don't have too much useful advice. I don't think there are any positive outcomes for you here, so find another employer ASAP. If you had been at this job for a long time, or you were worried about vesting options or something then it would make sense to consult with a lawyer and defend yourself a bit, but as it is it seems like management at this company is scared and trying to hide you until your internship is up.
I think it's totally bizarre that they would restrict you from talking to any female co-workers. If I were to guess at this situation with no more information than you have given, there is probably some consensus from many employees that you are 'creepy', and since they aren't willing to fire you for 'creepiness' they are just going to put you in the basement until your contract is up.
Good luck, consider whether you are generally creeping people out (maybe privately ask some male co-workers that you know if this might be the case), make sure your personal hygiene is good (shower every day, wear clean clothes everyday), etc. Maybe you do all this already and you are just a regular guy getting a bad deal, I don't know obviously, but you wouldn't be the first stinky guy in tech if that happens to be the issue.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#19Keep an open mind. I don't know you, nor your coworkers, but you may have done something that feels "normal" to you but is actually inappropriate without even realizing. That's why it is important to raise awareness on misogyny and the rape culture: a lot of the problematic behavior seems perfectly normal and acceptable to the perpetrators, but it's really not. Not saying that's what happened with you, but it could h…
HR, "Human Resources" is not there for you : it is there for the company.
Re: Ask HN: Victim of an unfounded harrasement accusation. Your thoughts?
#20That's a very immature way of dealing with the problem (by the management). The issue likely has 2 very different perspectives and both people involved should be mature enough to be confronted with the other's perspective so it can be dealt with fairly.
For example, you might be sitting opposite of some female co-workers and frequently meeting glances might be interpreted by them as "staring" etc. while you might not even be consciously aware that you do it ... Solution: put up some optical barrier after talking with all people involved together.