McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation • Hacker News Board

gduncan12 wrote: post #8

mikek wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you not read the article?

I read the article. Really hard to figure out what he did or how bad it was. Did he cat call a woman who just wasn't interested, or did he lock a woman in an office and forcibly rape her? Article doesn't say one way or another.

I agree with your sentiment (could've been worded better). Without clarification it seems like people are assuming the worst. Given Dave's reputation that doesn't seem fair. Hopefully the community will get some clarification so that those who work(ed) with Dave can make an informed judgement call for themselves about how to proceed with their relationship.

Edit: added parenthesis to first sentence.

Re: McClure steps back at 500Startups after internal sexual misconduct investigation

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Post by dang » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:35 AM UTC

Pfhreak wrote: post #12

Apologies, I misattributed a quote.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14674708 and marked it off-topic.

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Post by nl » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:36 AM UTC

gduncan12 wrote: post #13

When these reports about sexual harassment are so vague about what actually happened it does a disservice to everyone. How is anyone supposed to know where the line is between hitting on someone and sexual harassment? Many women like to play hard to get. Many men out there are just plain dumb when it comes to how they show their interest in a woman, not malicious. With more specifics they'd be able to learn what's ri…

I assume you actually realise why they are vague, but in case you don't: it's polite. Many victims find it humiliating to talk about, and adding details often adds to this humiliation.

In this case many details were published elsewhere already, in enough detail to offer little excuse.

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Post by crawfordcomeaux » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:36 AM UTC

gduncan12 wrote: post #13

When these reports about sexual harassment are so vague about what actually happened it does a disservice to everyone. How is anyone supposed to know where the line is between hitting on someone and sexual harassment? Many women like to play hard to get. Many men out there are just plain dumb when it comes to how they show their interest in a woman, not malicious. With more specifics they'd be able to learn what's ri…

Perhaps by first developing some level of intimacy & emotional connection in a platonic context, being a supportive whole human being with well-defined/practiced/communicated boundaries, and occasionally having a meta discussion about the relationship to get on the same page?

I don't need specifics since hitting on someone is a suboptimal strategy for connection. If you're just looking to get laid, try it out and let me know how it works for that.

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Post by LarryPage » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:38 AM UTC

gduncan12 wrote: post #13

When these reports about sexual harassment are so vague about what actually happened it does a disservice to everyone. How is anyone supposed to know where the line is between hitting on someone and sexual harassment? Many women like to play hard to get. Many men out there are just plain dumb when it comes to how they show their interest in a woman, not malicious. With more specifics they'd be able to learn what's ri…

Saying "I wasn't sure whether to hire you or hit on you" is fucked up if you're in a position to hire that person.

What the actual fuck.

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Post by gduncan12 » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:42 AM UTC

nl wrote: post #26

gduncan12 wrote: post #13

When these reports about sexual harassment are so vague about what actually happened it does a disservice to everyone. How is anyone supposed to know where the line is between hitting on someone and sexual harassment? Many women like to play hard to get. Many men out there are just plain dumb when it comes to how they show their interest in a woman, not malicious. With more specifics they'd be able to learn what's ri…

I assume you actually realise why they are vague, but in case you don't: it's polite. Many victims find it humiliating to talk about, and adding details often adds to this humiliation. In this case many details were published elsewhere already, in enough detail to offer little excuse.

Was the victim(s) identified? If not, then we should be free to talk about the specifics without making any identifications. Again, there's no details to go on here.

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Post by devinmontgomery » Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 1:44 AM UTC

rmason wrote: post #2

The one person that I would have never suspected is Dave McClure. Here's a guy who didn't fit the investment world and he was smart and hustled his way in. He started 500 startups with a female co-founder and said he chose her because she was smarter. He saw an opening for himself and talked about playing Moneyball for venture capital. He spoke often in interviews about chasing investments among founders who didn't f…

I think there are both 1) sleezeballs who intentionally take advantage of their position and 2) men who don't realized what they're doing and need to use better judgement.

Without knowing details, there are at least indications in both McClure's and Sacca's pasts that they may (hopefully) be in the latter group.

And hopefully this will help both groups get smaller.