Live data from Hacker News

Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

nytimes.com

201–210 of 882 posts

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you're not doing doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear." Ahh--if only this were ever true.

Again, that statement is only false if these are false accusations. Are you saying they're false accusations?

So long as there are incentives to make false accusations, there will always be false accusations. Just as there will always be true accusations.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#202

"Apologies" like Chris Sacca's [0] don't make you too hopeful. Often I have committed as their first limited partner and encouraged them to use my name and participation to attract other investment. I’ve introduced them to my fund’s most loyal investors and made sure they have had the opportunity to make their case rather than get lost in an inbox. I’ve also connected them to our trusted service providers saving them…

What would be enough to you?

It would be a good start if he came to this realization on his own, instead of right after being contacted by the New York Times going "Hey, we're going to publish a story about your sexual harassment, do you want to dispute this account".

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#203

Has anyone seen a policy on how to handle sexual harassment allegations in the work place? If it comes down to 'he says she says' do you fire someone even though you don't have evidence? Similarly, if you don't fire someone and new allegations come up later then it makes the employer look like they are an enabler.

A witness statement is evidence. Evidence isn't only things you can touch. A photograph isn't any more evidence than a witness statement is. A photograph isn't inherently more credible than a witness statement. You should consider the credibility of each piece of evidence regardless of what type of evidence it is.

A statement made by a trustworthy employee should be taken seriously, "he said she said" is not a valid excuse to not make hard decisions.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect less VCs to take meetings with women, sadly. Not because they are likely to be problems, quite the opposite I'd wager. That's going to be the rather depressing and sad reality of the shakeout of this.

> I expect less VCs to take meetings with women, sadly. Why? There's a really simple procedure that can solve these problems: Don't hit on, feel-up, or try to have sex with people you're in a professional business relationship with . That goes double for people you hold power over (managers to employees, VCs to Founders, etc). If you're really truly worried about false accusations then here's another fix you can have…

> I expect less VCs to take meetings with women, sadly. Why? There's a really simple procedure that can solve these problems: Don't hit on, feel-up, or try to have sex with people you're in a professional business relationship with. That goes double for people you hold power over (managers to employees, VCs to Founders, etc). If you're really truly worried about false accusations then here's another fix you can have for free: record your meetings, texts, emails, and calls with founders and/or don't meet alone.

You simply expose your naivete.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law

Any recordings done without the approval of the other party are illegal (opening you up to legal actions) and are completely inadmissible in court.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should talk to a therapist. It will affect your career sooner or later, if it hasn't already. You better get help on how to control these thoughts, and more importantly your actions, especially if you sometimes give "eyes" to your coworkers.

I vehemently disagree with that. While I do not know your gender or sexual orientation, I can assume that at some point you've looked at another person and been attracted to them. This can't be controlled because our species' success (before the modern medicine era) is due to our ability to reproduce. I don't see a problem with looking at someone. If it gets to the point of creepily staring for long periods of time,…

> If it gets to the point of creepily staring for long periods of time, or wanting to act on his thoughts, then he has good reason to see a therapist,

This is what he said, that's why I suggested a therapist. He constantly thinks about having sex with his female coworkers, and the ones that he feels the most attracted to he will give "eyes" to. Then he feels guilty afterwards. These are abnormal reactions. I wasn't talking about YOU, I was talking about HIM.

If you can't get your work done without thinking about having sex with your coworkers, you need to see a therapist.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#206
post #159

What are your thoughts on women with borderline personality disorder abusing an environment in which the burden of proof is placed entirely on the defendant?

I think building a policy based on the possible existence of a vanishingly small group of bad actors is a great way to make excuses for avoiding solving real problems...

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#207

Wow, this seems terrible. For these women (and from the sounds of it, many more) to always have to second guess if an investor likes them for good business reasons or whether it's just because they're pretty. To always dread meeting a new business contact, knowing there's a small but substantial chance he'll make some awkward comment. Some thoughts: 1. Is this more common in silicon valley than elsewhere? (I've never…

a.) I've worked elsewhere for ten years prior to moving to Silicon Valley and I've never seen anything like what is described in the NY Times article. Also, every company big enough to have a HR department that I worked at also required employees to watch sexual harassment training (how to recognize what not to do, not a how to) videos. b.) The companies here in Silicon Valley that I worked for that were not startups also all had HR departments that required me to watch sexual harassment prevention training videos.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See Wolf of Wall St for most vivid example. I'll also add it's extremely common in sales all over the country. Especially telemarketing, phone sales, boiler rooms, and so on. A large number of women I've talked to over the years in those positions say it's crazy. That movie even brought flashbacks for at least one I talked to who told me of huge parties with barbeque, pools, drugs, and tabs for employees for beer and…

The other side of this coin is that many people have sex at work. So when a guy/gal comes in and sees this is the MO they may try to participate.

There's sex at work, but there's also just many relationships that start or get set up at work and lead to marriage. Put men and women together in an environment that already cements a shared general interest and you're going to see that. People who treat every fellow employee the same as an amorphous blob are operating under a strange way of viewing the world.

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#209

PSA: If you are an honest man who manages or works with women in any capacity, please keep complete audio records of your time at work. File storage is cheap, a false charge will cost you your livelihood and damage the reputation of your entire industry. If you live in a jurisdiction which requires more than one present party to consent to recording, run for your life. P.S. not at all insinuating that the accusations…

This is illegal in many states

Re: Silicon Valley Women, in Cultural Shift, Frankly Describe Sexual Harassment

#210

Better PR departments?

This username looks to have been intended as trolling. That's not allowed (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11433189), so I've banned the account.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14674145 and marked it off-topic.

Post reply on HN