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As someone who started collecting vinyl about 3 years ago, it's about the difference between passive and active involvement in music. So much of our music consumption these days is a largely passive activity. We have music in our headphones while we work. We have music on in our cars while we drive. We have music on in the background of social events. While modern digital formats have given us true ubiquity of music…

I believe in this, and also a part of our brains relates to the physical embodiement of a perception. When I ran an old pentium box full of mechanical drives, it beeps, it moves, it cringes .. and I like it. It's a piece of stimulus that is the basis for my other activities on the device. I love the bliss of SSD and tablets but I'm holding a piece of magic vapor. It tickles my brain less. Same goes for the vynil players, or even CD players, there were a magic show that you could experience in itself.

ps: this and the album scale, art, lyrics. It felt crafted a lot more. I spent most of my life trying to generate everything perfectly and I miss the analog stuff.

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Frank Zappa on vinyl, BAM (Bay Area Music magazine) [1987]: http://www.afka.net/Articles/1987-01_BAM.htm BAM: Working with a computerized synthesizer, do you find that vinyl is no longer the most desirable way to present your music? Will you be releasing CD-only recordings? FZ: Well, vinyl never really was all that terrific a medium anyway. Some people cling to the belief that vinyl sounds better. I don't know. Not t…

Frank Zappa also was releasing recordings in the age prior to the Loudness War. Digital is a superior format. But I still buy vinyl because a good half of vinyl recordings out there aren't completely fucked by applying a compressor that destroys the dynamic range.

I confess: I used to get Vinyl rips of old albums for this reason on what.cd

It wasn't that Vinyl is better, but the MIXES were better. They didn't compress the crap out of everything.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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True. But vinyl album art is bigger, which is nice if you are interested in having a cool collection of art/objects.

If you scan a 5" CD album cover at 2400 DPI, you get a 12000x12000 image, from which you can probably render a reasonable poster, if you like.

that doesn't make it a collectible!

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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But why buy vinyl instead of buying CDs? I understand your point about listening to a whole album being preferable to singles, I feel the same way but I'd still much rather listen to a CD than an LP.

The problems I have with CD's that I don't with Vinyl: - CD's scratch and then skip easily - CD's come in horrible plastic covers that break if you look at them wrong. - Skipping to a certain part of a song is much more difficult with CD's. - The benefits vinyl provides (large artwork and liner notes/ lyrics, posters etc.) don't all apply to CD's and at that point there's not much/any benefit CD's have over digital.

>CD's scratch and then skip easily

They can also be regenerated for cheap as long as the scratches don't reach the data layer and only affect the plastic protection layer. Vinyl discs, on the other hand...

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#266

As someone who started collecting vinyl about 3 years ago, it's about the difference between passive and active involvement in music. So much of our music consumption these days is a largely passive activity. We have music in our headphones while we work. We have music on in our cars while we drive. We have music on in the background of social events. While modern digital formats have given us true ubiquity of music…

Your comment and the other replies to this comment reminded me of this interesting article (2015) by philosopher Roger Scruton: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34801885

Be sure to read all the way to the end for the (no joke) praise of Metallica.

I'm no fan of Scruton or respecter of his intellectual prowess, but it does baffle me how willing old-fashioned aesthetes are to carve out exceptions to their own principles. Surely if late period Metallica has artistic value, large swathes of the music he's condemning do as well.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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While I can understand the nostalgia of playing music on a record player (many of us had lots of records when we were younger), and how that experience could be different for you, perhaps in a very pleasant way, I find the idea that the experience of using one medium over another somehow makes you more "serious" about the music (or more engaged with the music, or whatever else you want to call it) is laughable. You c…

While I get your point, I too understand what OP is saying. As someone who considers himself a big music guy, at least once upon a time, I'm simply no longer as invested as I once was when listening to CD's or vinyl as I am now when listening to albums or singles on Spotify. My take is that it's a matter of ritual. It's akin to the whole unboxing phenomenon on youtube. There is still something about physical tactile…

I totally get the attraction of actually buying something physical, and it was fun as a kid to look through the stuff that came with an album. As is being discussed elsewhere about this article, it is similar to the difference between buying a physical book and an electronic one. I like that "new book" smell too, and I prefer reading on real paper, even though I spend all day reading on computer screens at work (and much of my time at home).

However, even as a kid, I'd probably only look through the album cover, liner notes, whatever maybe a few times, and then probably never looked at it again. I just wanted to put the music on so I could listen, and the album cover was just a means to an end. I would have traded that experience for "push a button and the album plays" in a heartbeat. There are some fond memories of artwork on the cover, etc -- and it is a valuable connection to the music -- because everyone remembers the Styx "Paradise Theatre" album cover, and connects it to the music that was on it.

"And then when you listen to an album on Vinyl, where it's practically impossible to skip forwards and backwards, you're de-facto an active participant in the whole endeavor. You enjoy the album as it's meant to be enjoyed, fully placing yourself at the mercy of the Artist who carefully constructed the order of songs."

^ a few things about this. First it really depended on the album/artist/producer who decided the order that the songs went in. For many albums it was not the artist. Producers often decided what was the "most commercially viable" and put those songs up front (or in whatever order fit their particular strategy). Some artists insisted on more control, but the record companies had a lot of power here, so I think those situations were more rare.

Second, dude, did you never pick up the needle and skip over a song? :D Didn't everyone either try to hit that tiny gap between songs to play your "favorite", or to pick up and skip one, or go back and repeat one? Of course, the "ultimate" solution was to record to cassette tape just the songs you wanted, and in whatever order you wanted them. Also, I personally don't find the lack of control of what plays in what order to be any value to me. If the music is good enough that I want to listen to the whole thing, it usually makes no difference to me what comes after what. The only exception to this might be, for those albums that are really that good that I listen to them over and over, I know which song is coming next when one finishes, so I can be prepared to sing along, or whatever. But I still see no need to give up control of the order of play just to experience this, I an just queue up the whole album on the electronic device of my choice and push 'play'.

Third, while it is true there were some artists that had an idea of an "experience" and wanted things laid out just so, I don't think most artists cared which order you listened to their songs in. In fact, musicians tend to be a lot more laid back than that. They don't care how you listen to their music, they are just happy if you are and that you get something out of it. It really depends on the artist, of course.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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As someone who started collecting vinyl about 3 years ago, it's about the difference between passive and active involvement in music. So much of our music consumption these days is a largely passive activity. We have music in our headphones while we work. We have music on in our cars while we drive. We have music on in the background of social events. While modern digital formats have given us true ubiquity of music…

One can still have a ritual for digital music, and - having grown up using cassettes and vinyl and getting very over the time and hassle needed to maintain the media or the playing equipment - I'm more than happy having an option of a non-ritualistic music session. I can understand younger folk or those seeking sentimentality going for a vinyl experience, though. Digital does offer so much these days - cataloguing, cross-indexing, choice of quality of storage, transfer between different devices, streaming - I can't imagine myself going back (in time / in terms of overall experience).

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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As someone who started collecting vinyl about 3 years ago, it's about the difference between passive and active involvement in music. So much of our music consumption these days is a largely passive activity. We have music in our headphones while we work. We have music on in our cars while we drive. We have music on in the background of social events. While modern digital formats have given us true ubiquity of music…

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