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Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#51
post #17

Why not instead focusing on reinventing the LP? One side disc, large format, laser pickup, analog recording. Bring together the good parts from both LP and CD / DVD.

Why start another format? People will either have to re-buy stuff or they won't care. One great thing about vinyl is you can get old records on eBay for less than £5. Start a new format and you lose that. You would also need to re-release a lot of stuff (which isn't going to happen).

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#52
post #14

As long as nobody is claiming they sound better, and it's just for fun and nostalgia, I'm all for it. It really bugs me when vinyl buffs try to argue their rig sounds better or warmer or whatever than the same rig with a digital (or non-vinyl analog) source.

From a technical point of view I get why the argument is stupid, but playing a well pressed/mixed record has a visceral pleasure that is hard to explain. It's kind of like driving a manual car. Sure, it's dated and we've invented safer, easier ways to change the gearing while driving, but people who like experiences like that all know it's something more than a "hipster" indulgence. It's simply adding a level of complexity to something you love.

I could even argue it's something akin to the reason people use Vim or Emacs over JetBrains or Atom ha

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#53
post #15

I confess, I am part of this trend. And I just got into it, so I get no "before it was cool"-claim to fame. Not sure where that leaves me on the hipster-scale. Buying CD's used to be a weekly ritual for me and I missed it for years. Putting on a new album on a Saturday afternoon with a beer or glass of wine while I start cooking is a very enjoyable moment for me. Now, obviously this was for the most part because I wo…

I'm not sure if this would work for you, but I like Spotify's Discover Weekly. Every Monday you get a playlist of 30 songs that you've never heard before. I listen to it from beginning to end without skipping and I often find songs that I end up liking a lot

I wonder if my account has a bug with Discover Weekly because ~50% of the songs I get come back over and over (sometimes as remixes or covers too...)

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#54

I confess, I am part of this trend. And I just got into it, so I get no "before it was cool"-claim to fame. Not sure where that leaves me on the hipster-scale. Buying CD's used to be a weekly ritual for me and I missed it for years. Putting on a new album on a Saturday afternoon with a beer or glass of wine while I start cooking is a very enjoyable moment for me. Now, obviously this was for the most part because I wo…

You don't find it inconvenient to have to turn the LP over during cooking?

I happen to agree with parent comment. Doing physical stuff to get it to play is part of who we are... if you used to collect CDs that is, I did too.

It's a different music discovery and listening experience than streaming. Go buy some obscure music on CD/LP and listen to it over and over for a day.

Must admit, I have resisted the LP movement until now. Might check it out =)

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#55
post #2

I must saw I am mystified by this - I grew up with LPs, singles and cassettes in the 70s and 80s and I can't say I miss them.

Giant-sized artwork, liner notes, inserts, etc. I grew up with CD's. The vinyl primarily just feels like a collectible to me--something I can look at, turn over, read the liner notes while listening to the music, etc. I don't even really listen to the vinyl's I have, I use the digital rips instead.

I agree. I don't think most people are actually listening to these. I'm guessing most people don't even own a player (or even a home audio system to hook it to). Has there been large increase in player sales as well? I'm sure there has been an increase but I doubt it had any way to go but up.

If it comes with a free download then vinyl is pretty much the perfect box to sell downloads at a brick and mortor. Thin but wide so you can't steal it easy. Lots of room for pretty artwork and extras. And nostalgia, something the cd/cassette anti-theft box didn't have. Well, The extra large cd boxes did at first but then they quit making those.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#56
post #33

I confess, I am part of this trend. And I just got into it, so I get no "before it was cool"-claim to fame. Not sure where that leaves me on the hipster-scale. Buying CD's used to be a weekly ritual for me and I missed it for years. Putting on a new album on a Saturday afternoon with a beer or glass of wine while I start cooking is a very enjoyable moment for me. Now, obviously this was for the most part because I wo…

But why buy vinyl instead of buying CDs? I understand your point about listening to a whole album being preferable to singles, I feel the same way but I'd still much rather listen to a CD than an LP.

12" x 12" artwork/inserts/posters/etc. vs. a small CD box. Many of the records I own are beautifully printed and satisfying to hold. Can be super informative too, with inserts/booklets (of course CDs can also have this info, but often not as nice).

Analog is neat. To me, at least. There's a microscopic groove cut into some plastic in which a tiny chunk of diamond connected to a cantilever is pulled through, and the motion it has gets converted to a tiny electrical signal which gets amplified. To hear this at home on speakers or headphones is cool enough; to hear it in a venue with excellent sound is really something else for me. Something so powerful coming from something so minuscule.

Maybe it's 40, 50, 60 years old, too. It's something that has a history, a past. I can listen to a record made in Brazil in 1968, that somehow found its way to Europe in my hands, or I can buy some sterile, boring CD copy of it. I can listen to my parents' very own records that they had in the 70s, that I also listened to growing up. I can even listen to classical records from before they were born. I can listen to a record from a country that doesn't exist anymore.

Not everything got released on CD (or streaming).

Plenty of reasons one might prefer vinyl over a CD.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#57
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this mentality. It's not all about hipsterism. If anything, it's unfair to assume that a guy into vinyl is a hipster just because hipsters and posers are also into vinyl.

I like the idea of selling music on vinyl with a little token that lets you download mp4's of it from the band's web site if you have the vinyl. I've seen a few bands and electronic musicians do this. The vinyl is like an original numbered print, while the download is like a glossy poster print.

In my experience every new release comes with a download card. Tbh it's actually not as important as it was 5 years ago because most of us are streaming now so have access to the digital version without downloading/using storage.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#58
post #41

It always makes me cringe when people say that records "sound better". Here's my unsolicited theory on why vinyl was preferred (by some) to CDs in the 90s and 00s. It wasn't the form factor, it was the dynamic range of the masters. I don't know if it was caused by the advent of digital recording, but the loudness war [1] certainly got going around the time that CDs were becoming popular. So comparing a classic vinyl…

They actually did sound better during the very early days of CDs. Consumer DACs were terrible in the 80s. But these days that isn't a problem. CDs can sound great, but they will also happily carry all kinds of non-harmonic distortion which many people find disagreeable. The loudness war is an issue, but it isn't widely understood.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#59
post #14

As long as nobody is claiming they sound better, and it's just for fun and nostalgia, I'm all for it. It really bugs me when vinyl buffs try to argue their rig sounds better or warmer or whatever than the same rig with a digital (or non-vinyl analog) source.

It sounds like (as others are saying) the limitations of vinyl as a medium had social effects that made it sound better (similar to the limitations of older video game consoles.)

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#60
post #17

Why not instead focusing on reinventing the LP? One side disc, large format, laser pickup, analog recording. Bring together the good parts from both LP and CD / DVD.

Or, digital encoding on vinyl? Pretty low bitrate, but... They already do this a bit for DJing - the vinyl they are "spinning" is usually just a bunch of position indicators so the software can reproduce the motion from a digital audio file.
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