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Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by pawadu »

samsolomon wrote: post #63
pidge wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did they mess up? I have one and all I noticed is that the iPhone app got an update that imparts a cleaner UI design, reminiscent of Nokia's golden age (i.e. Marko-Ahtisaari-esque).

I've found the app cleaner, but more difficult to use. I have several complaints about this new app: - Heart rate used to show on a chart that would show normal range and your history. Now it's a single number. I have to swipe to see my history. - I can no longer swipe pinch to customize the date range. - They removed one of my features, a running average of my weight over time. If you zoom out to three-month view, y…

Why do you think these are Nokias doing?

The old team is still in charge of app development, the only thing Nokia has changed is the brand.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by jamesblonde »

wolfgke wrote: post #69
jamesblonde wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven't done software right in Europe. Really, we only have SAP and computer games companies as massive software companies. We have been terrible at software. It's very worrying for the remaining industries that software will soon eat: automobiles and trucks. We're way behind there. Deja vu all over again, maybe?

> We haven't done software right in Europe. Really, we only have SAP and computer games companies as massive software companies. We have been terrible at software. It's very worrying for the remaining industries that software will soon eat: automobiles and trucks. We're way behind there. Deja vu all over again, maybe? As a German I say: I would not say we can't do software or we are bad at it. "Getting really big" is…

I never said we can't do it. We educate good enough people - just look at some of the key technical people at the american giants - Amazon CTO Werner Vogels, Urs Hölzle at Google, Johnny Ive at Apple. There are technical reasons - lack of deep VC capital markets and data protection laws as you point out. There are also cultural reasons - we sell out at 100m and then go enjoy life instead of building a global giant.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by Spooky23 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #62
abritinthebay wrote: post #46

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It took literally 5 minutes to set up my scale to connect to Wifi and I've had to change the battery once in 3 years. You're vastly overestimating the friction here.

Yes I don't think connected devices are always the best, but the person I was replying to was doing the classic informercial black-and-white video impression of someone pretending something is more difficult than it actually is.

No, that's not what I did at all. The GP of my comment was looking for an alternative recommendation. Spending >$100 for a fancy pants scale as a convenient alternative is incredibly wasteful and encourages activity (daily or mulime times daily) that is counter productive.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by GoToRO »

flyovercow wrote: post #34
hourislate wrote: post #29

Some of the most talented people I have ever met in my 30 years in IT worked at Nokia (USA and Finland). There was something about the culture there that just made it an incredible place to work for everyone. An environment where people were treated with dignity and respect and rewarded with generosity. The Fins are incredibly hard working and talented along with their US counterparts. I imagine any company that hire…

That feeling is called socialism.

Implementation matters.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by Nanite »

jamesblonde wrote: post #72
wolfgke wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We haven't done software right in Europe. Really, we only have SAP and computer games companies as massive software companies. We have been terrible at software. It's very worrying for the remaining industries that software will soon eat: automobiles and trucks. We're way behind there. Deja vu all over again, maybe? As a German I say: I would not say we can't do software or we are bad at it. "Getting really big" is…

I never said we can't do it. We educate good enough people - just look at some of the key technical people at the american giants - Amazon CTO Werner Vogels, Urs Hölzle at Google, Johnny Ive at Apple. There are technical reasons - lack of deep VC capital markets and data protection laws as you point out. There are also cultural reasons - we sell out at 100m and then go enjoy life instead of building a global giant.

> we sell out at 100m and then go enjoy life instead of building a global giant.

This is what happened to Booking.com, sold to Priceline back in 2005 for about $150M due to lack of growth capital, currently Booking.com accounts for 70% of Priceline's revenue, which, with some handwaving, would amount to a virtual market cap of 50+ Billion $ if hypothetically they had continued on their own.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by heisenbit »

Nokia is now primarily doing networks, something they were doing before doing mobile. A long while ago Nokia was a conglomerate and one of key reasons it was raising to the top spot in mobile phones and networks was a relentless focus over a decade where all non-core businesses were sold off or shut down and the money plowed back to the core. This focus part of the Nokia Group strategy was not sustainable. The networks part of Nokia peaked with the 3G networks where their base station was a real hot seller due to superior performance.

The network side of Nokia is heavily dependent on big buyers. It used to be that telecom service providers were national and fragmented. That allowed many companies with localized services to serve them. Of course there are efficiencies to be gained by running networks across borders and buying in bulk. The consolidation on the service provider side prompted a consolidation on the network equipment provider side.

Nokia's networks part merged with Siemens Networks part in a "merger of equals" imho. not the most effective manner to do these things. Then Alcatel-Lucent was folded in as well. It is worth contrasting Nokia's strategy with it's Nordic arch rival Ericsson who went through a consolidation and rejuvenation a few years earlier and pursued a more organic growth path.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by zeveb »

> As part of the euro zone, Finland was also unable to devalue its currency to stimulate spending.

I see this a lot with respect to poorer eurozone countries like Greece. I wonder if it's part of the reason why some U.S. states like West Virginia are (apparently permanently) poor. Would the U.S. economy be more dynamic and productive if each state had its own dollar?

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by ccozan »

noir_lord wrote: post #66
jamesblonde wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven't done software right in Europe. Really, we only have SAP and computer games companies as massive software companies. We have been terrible at software. It's very worrying for the remaining industries that software will soon eat: automobiles and trucks. We're way behind there. Deja vu all over again, maybe?

UK has a few large ones - though we are trying hard to get out of Europe at the moment... Sage and Sophos are pretty well known. Generally though I agree and it's something Europe should/could be good at since they are high paying jobs that require a good thorough educational system.

And let's not forget Autonomy which sold to HP for ~10bn USD. This _is_ big.

Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by [deleted] »

jamesblonde wrote: post #72
wolfgke wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We haven't done software right in Europe. Really, we only have SAP and computer games companies as massive software companies. We have been terrible at software. It's very worrying for the remaining industries that software will soon eat: automobiles and trucks. We're way behind there. Deja vu all over again, maybe? As a German I say: I would not say we can't do software or we are bad at it. "Getting really big" is…

I never said we can't do it. We educate good enough people - just look at some of the key technical people at the american giants - Amazon CTO Werner Vogels, Urs Hölzle at Google, Johnny Ive at Apple. There are technical reasons - lack of deep VC capital markets and data protection laws as you point out. There are also cultural reasons - we sell out at 100m and then go enjoy life instead of building a global giant.

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Re: Where Is Nokia Now?

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Post by type0 »

vesak wrote: post #48
dijit wrote: post #6

Every time the fall of Nokia is mentioned I always retell the feelings I had sitting in Ruholahti, Helsinki on February 2011- the Friday of my first week at the company; and hearing the news that R&D was shutting down in favour of Windows Phone. Many considered it an inferior product, many had just lost the work of their lives. Most just went to the bar across the street. I feel the heart and soul of Nokia, just like…

Ruho = cadaver Ruoho = grass You were in Ruoholahti, although I suppose there's some irony in that typo.

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