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Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by vonmoltke »

bedros wrote: post #133
chc wrote: post #126

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I explained how you're wrong here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659675 The TL;DR is: "That is just a patent license, and most OSS doesn't even include a patent license at all, so it seems weird to be super-concerned in this case in particular."

Thanks for the reference ,but I read your earlier comment here's the issue when picking reactjs vs others (like vuejs) Choice A. by picking reactjs I'm in a clear violation of FB patents, but I'm covered as long I don't sue FB. Choice B. by picking others (like vuejs), I may or may not be violating FB patents, (virtualDOM has some prior art, as some people claim) why it's so hard for people to understand that "May or…

You're being down voted because this core bit of your position is a load of crap:

> Choice A. by picking reactjs I'm in a clear violation of FB patents

Please tell us what Facebook patents one is "violating" by using React.

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by School-Cotton »

dboreham wrote: post #127
sloreti wrote: post #59

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Serious question: Would it be legal for them not to?

ianal but I was under the impression that in the US you need to provide equal service to any customer, or else be ready to tread very carefully to avoid legal consequences. This doesn't mean you have to give a competitor special pricing, but I think it does mean you have to sell them your catalog listed products and services at list price, or else be prepared to head to court eventually.

Where did this impression come from? I thought basically the opposite was true: that you could do business with whomever you want, as long as you're not discriminating against a protected class of people.

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by School-Cotton »

bamboozled wrote: post #150
adventured wrote: post #46

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They went from $3.6 billion to $10.2 billion in net income in a year. The $3.6 billion is probably more net income than Amazon has generated combined in the last two decades. The $10 billion is more than Amazon will earn a decade from now. Their focus should be solely on what is going to likely end up being one of the three or four greatest money producing machines in world history (of those owned by a traditional co…

"Their focus should be solely on what is going to likely end up being one of the three or four greatest money producing machines in world" Companies don't "produce money", that would just devalue currency. I gusss you had a good go at making it sound cool.

Is this your first time reading figurative language?

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by underwater »

pier25 wrote: post #84
ot wrote: post #26

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> 2) it could save a lot of money by moving to Go. [citation needed]

Even if they reduced their server usage by 10% that would amount to a lot of money, and it's probable the performance benefit would be much higher than that.

Facebook spends more on people than they do on servers. I'm sure they have considered switching languages, but decided against it.

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by School-Cotton »

pier25 wrote: post #84
ot wrote: post #26

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> 2) it could save a lot of money by moving to Go. [citation needed]

Even if they reduced their server usage by 10% that would amount to a lot of money, and it's probable the performance benefit would be much higher than that.

What is this assertion based on?

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by closeparen »

geggam wrote: post #119
closeparen wrote: post #89

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Your definition of "at scale" doesn't seem to leave room for Amazon, Netflix, or Uber (all in tens to low hundreds of million monthly active users according to a cursory Google search) but... those.

Guess my perspective of scale is different. Its just an observation of having worked on systems at scale and I dont see the microservices / containers used. I am curious if anyone else has. The more I am around containers and the network complexity/issues that are created the less I am convinced it is the most optimal way and I am looking for opinions that differ from mine so I can learn

In my experience, these issues are minor when your large company has an infrastructure team dedicated to the service substrate (CI, self-service incremental deploys, service discovery and routing, standard RPC layer, canonical repository of IDL files, standard messaging layer, persistent storage as a service, time series collection, dashboarding, alerting, distributed tracing, safe internal and external nginx configs, etc).

Microservices are probably a bad idea (for now) if you aren't large enough for such a team.

But you've constructed your question to exclude the companies that work this way, which I think any reasonable person would call "at scale."

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by luord »

pier25 wrote: post #8

> Its application code is still developed using PHP This is surprising since 1) Facebook is most likely using Hack and 2) it could save a lot of money by moving to Go. > Facebook’s entire site runs on HHVM (desktop, API and mobile) Isn't Facebook running mostly on React? I'm guessing HHVM only really powers the API, business logic, etc.

> I'm guessing HHVM only really powers the API, business logic, etc.

So "only" everything except UI (which is run by the browser, not FB's servers), then. And that's only for browsers that use it at all, as they still need to render a lot of stuff from the servers both for speed and for people who turn off js or use older or limited browsers.

And this is a weird thing to say anyway, nothing runs "on" react; both the framework(s) and the business logic run on something else.

Re: Is it possible to host Facebook on AWS?

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Post by bedros »

vonmoltke wrote: post #151
bedros wrote: post #133

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Thanks for the reference ,but I read your earlier comment here's the issue when picking reactjs vs others (like vuejs) Choice A. by picking reactjs I'm in a clear violation of FB patents, but I'm covered as long I don't sue FB. Choice B. by picking others (like vuejs), I may or may not be violating FB patents, (virtualDOM has some prior art, as some people claim) why it's so hard for people to understand that "May or…

You're being down voted because this core bit of your position is a load of crap: > Choice A. by picking reactjs I'm in a clear violation of FB patents Please tell us what Facebook patents one is "violating" by using React.

all tech companies file patents to protect their cutting edge technology, so it's common sense FB has patents on react.

your argument of where are the FB patents on react is an example of your naivety

my position all along has been, using other libs than react is LESS likely to violate FB patents, and thus gives more freedom to compete with FB. if that's your definition of load-of-crap, well, that's not my definition.

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