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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by bonzini »

bzbarsky wrote: post #319
nickserv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost all Americans think this sort of thing is nonsense. But the average American has little standing to hold the American bureaucracy accountable for its nonsense. Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. > Americans, especially outside overcrowded urban areas, are courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very tolerant of other people and ideas. I've found qu…

While it may feel cathartic to blame Trump for this, unfortunately the situation is much worse than that. The article is about an ESTA denial. ESTA was put in place during the Bush administration (July 2007), and random ESTA denials happened all the time during the Obama administration. Not much has changed on this front since Trump took office, as far as I can tell. I'm not sure exactly how we're getting away with h…

ESTA replaced the previous I-94W form; in fact most of the questions are the same. You could also be denied entry before ESTA was introduced.

The best rendition of the text on the I-94W form is undoubtedly Frank Zappa and the Ensemble Modern's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPPDrXHjJx8

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by bonzini »

thecopy wrote: post #23
curiousgal wrote: post #18

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Wouldn't he not be given a visa in the first place if he was such a suspect?

Swedes can get a visa waiver automatically within a few minutes online by using an online form.

ESTA is not entirely automatic. He could have been denied it; in fact, he probably will be denied it the next time he tries to get the ESTA, if he ever does. He will then have to go through the non-waiver visa procedure.

However, you only have to renew ESTA once every two years, not every time you fly. The DHS might have "discovered" whatever they discovered only recently.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by kalleboo »

pjc50 wrote: post #127
b6 wrote: post #113

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> Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. Not to rehash the past, but I thought we had gotten it clear by now: voting for the guy does not indicate support. Americans vote for the candidate they fear and despise the least.

Voting is literally one of the two types of support that actually counts, far more than for-or-against posts on the internet. The other one would be giving money. If you voted for Trump, you supported Trump. It's OK to change your mind, but people need to own and take responsibility for what they do at the ballot box.

And people wonder why voter participation is so low...

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by hueving »

tptacek wrote: post #269
humanrebar wrote: post #260

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I think there are overt racists, but they are in a minority and certainly not exclusive to any political party. Though this is a hard conversation to have meaningfully since different people mean different things by racism. The context here is a Northern European visiting the U.S. I think it would be a bit of a stretch to say they'll have a hard time in the rural south. I'd say (accented) rural Southerners would have…

Accented rural southerners would have no trouble whatsoever in NYC. This is one of those analogies that sounds like it should be true, but has no basis in fact. It's also a super weird comparison. Southern intolerance is subtextually about animus towards African Americans and Latinos. Nobody is arguing that a Scandinavian would have any trouble in Mobile. Further: Mobile is a weird choice for a comparison as well, si…

>almost mathematically determined to be more racist than the Democratic party, which is a coalition of labor, minorities, and liberal whites

The assumption you build this on is that those groups are not more racist than the groups in the Republican party. The only way you could even make that kind of jump is if you subscribe to the definition of racism where you can't be racist if you are systematically oppressed in some regard. Is that the case?

If not, then you will definitely need some data showing that blue collar workers, minorities, etc have lower rates of racism.

The vast majority of racism I hear (assuming the definition based on race discrimination) comes from uneducated people, regardless of political affiliation.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by bonzini »

MotokoCMDR wrote: post #52

Absolutely no trouble at US airports. YMMV. Staff at JFK were professional, friendly and fast. This person may not have realized an ESTA needed in advance. He could be doing the thing people often do where they screw something up, and then, irresponsibly give a vague explanation, that they can deny later, but that leaves open to interpretation the possibility that they were somehow unfairly treated, when it might hav…

"You're not allowed entry to the US on your ESTA" is not "you don't have a valid ESTA".

Also, if your ESTA has expired, most of the time you can do another one in five minutes if you have a credit card and a smartphone at hand. It's pretty rare that it takes more than that, especially if you have done it once before.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by bonzini »

ckastner wrote: post #139
thecopy wrote: post #62

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>why approve it? It is automatic, there is no human oversight to it as far as i know.

The point is that if his name was on some blacklist or no-fly-list, then this should have had its effect during the (automated) ESTA application process.

ESTA is valid two years. Maybe it appeared on the list only recently.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by tptacek »

hueving wrote: post #324
tptacek wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accented rural southerners would have no trouble whatsoever in NYC. This is one of those analogies that sounds like it should be true, but has no basis in fact. It's also a super weird comparison. Southern intolerance is subtextually about animus towards African Americans and Latinos. Nobody is arguing that a Scandinavian would have any trouble in Mobile. Further: Mobile is a weird choice for a comparison as well, si…

>almost mathematically determined to be more racist than the Democratic party, which is a coalition of labor, minorities, and liberal whites The assumption you build this on is that those groups are not more racist than the groups in the Republican party. The only way you could even make that kind of jump is if you subscribe to the definition of racism where you can't be racist if you are systematically oppressed in…

I'm making a pretty simple demographic point and not really interested in hacking my way through this briar patch of value judgements and careful parsing. Substitute whatever term you like --- maybe "anti-black anti-Latino racism" --- for the simple one I used.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by funnyfacts365 »

qume wrote: post #109
GreaterFool wrote: post #78

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> cURL has been used extensively for bad purposes What?! Sources please.

If an attackers rouge process lands itself on a target, using something trusted like cURL is better than opening a socket directly, no? Less likely to attract attention? Same goes for wget, links, etc. Sorry no sources, it won't take you long to verify this yourself using google. I'm sure there are competent infosec guys and gals here who can provide a better explanation.

rogue, not rouge.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by djrogers »

GreaterFool wrote: post #63

Recently EU parliament voted to introduce visas for US citizens due to unequal treatment of EU countries. "About f ing time", I though. Few months pass and I read that EU Commission will do nothing*. I hate those bureaucrats in the EU. EU should retaliate (not of malice, just to force equal treatment). It's not a visa waiver if you can be denied entry so easily, as many people are. And of course not all EU countries…

> It's not a visa waiver if you can be denied entry so easily, as many people are.

I'm not sure that 700 out of 1.2Million qualifies as 'many people'. Of course there's no way of knowing how many of those 700 are mistakes, but even if they all are (as I'd be more than willing to believe - government employees aren't high on my list), that's only a 0.06% error rate...

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