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Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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I've never expected to use a Russian search engine to evade censorship but there we go: https://www.google.com/search?q=datalink+gw1000 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=datalink+gw1000

I'm amazed they provide links to other search engines at the bottom of the results.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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The bigger question is if Canada can enforce their regressive idea of Free Expression on US Service providers simply because of their presence in Canada Canada has no concept of the 1st amendment,Canada as all kinds of limits on Speech that will never be allowed under the US Constitution.

Canadian here. Would you be so kind as to elaborate on your sweeping allegation regarding free expression? As it is, this just seems like some random stab that doesn't concern the topic at hand (which has far more immediate concerns tied to it). Section 1 of the Constitution of Canada (1982) outlines freedom of speech. Just about the only thing you can't do, outside of pursuing damages in the court system for specifi…

your country currently has a law which criminalizes referring to a person using the incorrect given name or personal pronoun. the US supreme court recently affirmed that even hateful statements which are clearly abhorrent and of no inherent value are protected. it is simply a matter of optimization for different things - Canada optimizes for its idea of the most civil possible discourse, and takes it to an extreme. The US optimizes for its idea of minimal obstructions to expression, and takes it to an extreme.

it is this difference in definitions of protected speech that causes people from the US to attack Canada for the current state of free speech, I think.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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Sure, but China would then have a good suspicion that they could coerce Google into doing this

China already has just as much leverage against Google as Canada: do what we say or you can't operate in our country.

Yes, but IIRC Google got kicked out of China for failing to comply with Chinese regulation in China, not for failing to comply with Chinese regulations in the US, Europe or Antarctica.

Also, it didn't happen without some level of pushback from the American government. Now imagine the drama if China tried to impose their court orders on the US soil that way.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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post #192

I've never expected to use a Russian search engine to evade censorship but there we go: https://www.google.com/search?q=datalink+gw1000 https://yandex.ru/search/?text=datalink+gw1000

I'm amazed they provide links to other search engines at the bottom of the results.

I suppose it's for convenience when yandex doesn't find what you are looking for. Don't worry, Russia isn't exactly a freedom of speech heaven and if the government had a serious issue with these other search engines they wouldn't be there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Service_for_Supervisio...

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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I suppose limitations apply by Google's TLD. Why don't Google block by geo-IP? If request comes from Canada, on any Google property, apply the filter. If request comes from China, it has nothing to do with Canada, so they should have nothing to complain about. I don't like geofencing, but this court decision is absurd.

Arguably, Canada can complain about whatever they want (according to their laws), that affects a company that hopes to do business in their country. The US prohibits American companies from selling weapons to it's enemies. By your logic, this transaction, which takes place outside of the US, is none of their business. But you had better believe they make it their business. Google is free to tell Canada to shove off..…

    > The US prohibits American companies from selling
    > weapons...
Yes, but this is actually instructive. Google is not a Canadian company, so the more accurate comparison would be the US trying to control who the Russian Kalashnikov Concern sells AK-47's to, just because they're also for sale in the US.

    > The nature of them being an international
    > corporation should not mean they are immune
    > to everyone's laws.
Nobody's advocating that the likes of Google should be immune to everyone's laws, but rather that it's overstepping that any given country is going beyond just instructing an international corporation on how to behave within their borders.

    > International corporations should be required
    > to follow all of them.
So if Saudia Arabia decides that showing any images of women more revealing than the niqab in Google Images that should be applied globally? This is just a recipe for a race to the bottom.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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Completely read that wrong. Thought it order google to remove it's own website addresses from search results. that would have been interesting.

This would be a significant victory against people who use Google to search for Google and then perform a search. These types do exist.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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I suppose limitations apply by Google's TLD. Why don't Google block by geo-IP? If request comes from Canada, on any Google property, apply the filter. If request comes from China, it has nothing to do with Canada, so they should have nothing to complain about. I don't like geofencing, but this court decision is absurd.

Arguably, Canada can complain about whatever they want (according to their laws), that affects a company that hopes to do business in their country. The US prohibits American companies from selling weapons to it's enemies. By your logic, this transaction, which takes place outside of the US, is none of their business. But you had better believe they make it their business. Google is free to tell Canada to shove off..…

That's all good and well, but what about when national laws conflict? Which they do, all the time.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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Libel and slander laws can only be applied if you know the identity of the person who did it, and have enough money to hire an attorney to go after the person. Right now if you google my name, there's a forum out there that says I'm a child molester based on zero evidence, and the only reason it's up is because I am following my legal requirements as a website operator per the ToU to not release personally identifyin…

> Libel and slander laws can only be applied if you know the identity of the person who did it, and have enough money to hire an attorney to go after the person. The latter part is true, the former part is less so; you can use John/Jane Doe lawsuits and then subpoena third parties to discover the specific identities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_subpoena

The problem is there's pretty good evidence that the person is in another country, based on activity time, etc. The problem isn't that I can't file, the problem is that there's no guarantee I can find someone actionable on the the other side of the filing.

Re: Canada's top court backs order for Google to remove firm's website from searches

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> it might be only a matter of time before a court somewhere rules in the favor of a person found innocent who is suing to keep as many details of a particular murder off the Internet Which in the context of "murders of unarmed civilians by law enforcement and subsequent acquittals" sounds bad, because it's possibly against your concept of justice, but what about the other end of the spectrum, where baseless claims a…

> but what about the other end of the spectrum, where baseless claims are leveled on a person. You are confusing imaginary baseless claims with matters of public record. The potential danger of abuse is in allowing individuals/entities using the law to keep potentially unfavorable public records off from the Internet as a matter of public good, as with the right to be forgotten cases in the EU.

> The potential danger of abuse is in allowing individuals/entities using the law to keep potentially unfavorable public records off from the Internet as a matter of public good

Off search engines, not the internet.

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