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Re: Denied Entry

#11

Post by CaliforniaKarl »

Something that I was curious about, and which others might also be:

>Sorry, you’re not allowed entry to the US on your ESTA.

"ESTA" stands for the Electronic System for Travel Authorization, and is a program administered by US Customs & Border Protection (part of the Department of Homeland Security). It's used by people in Visa Waiver countries to submit information about themselves & their travel plans, before they depart their country of origin.

More info here: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/esta

Info on the Visa Waiver program: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waive...

I guess Mr. Stenberg could have applied for a B-1 Visa to cover the visit, but I thought the whole reason for the Visa Waiver program was to remove the need for people in member countries to get a B-1.

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#12

Post by rhblake »

khedoros1 wrote: post #10
caryhartline wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By the end of the Tuesday, I had about 2000 new followers That's the only time he mentioned a number of followers.

"Several well-followed people retweeted me and that caused even more new followers and replies." "By the end of the Tuesday, I had about 2000 new followers and twitter notifications that literally were flying by at a high speed." "I’m now (end of Wednesday, 60 hours since the check-in counter) at 3000 more twitter followers than what I started out with this Monday morning." Two direct references to a count, one indir…

He's really just chronicling what happened while expressing astonishment at the traction the story got (and the consequences thereof).

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#13

Post by prawn »

irq wrote: post #3

Was it really necessary for him to refer to his Twitter follower count so many times?

I don't think it was necessary or added any value to his story, but it would've been noticeable and of interest to him so maybe he thought it was relevant in describing the attention/support he'd felt. In the absence of any reasoning regarding the ESTA denial, maybe any detail he could add seemed warranted?

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#14

Post by prawn »

rdiddly wrote: post #2

Kudos to the QUIC working group for this absolutely correct response: "We won’t hold any further interim meetings in the US, until there’s a change in this situation."

International conferences should be considering this also. I'm a plain white guy with nothing dramatic to hide and I was apprehensive on my recent visit to the US. I can imagine people working in tech security, or with backgrounds/family from particular countries, would be more nervous.

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#15

Post by rbcgerard »

"DHS has carefully developed the ESTA program to ensure that only those individuals who are ineligible to travel to the United States under the VWP or those whose travel would pose a law enforcement or security risk are refused an ESTA. While the ESTA website provides a link to the DHS Travel Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP) website, there are no guarantees that a request for redress through DHS TRIP will resolve the VWP ineligibility that caused an applicant’s ESTA application to be denied.

U.S. Embassies and Consulates are not able to provide details about ESTA denials or resolve the issue that caused the ESTA denial. Embassies and Consulates will process an application for a non-immigrant visa, which, if approved, will be the only way that a traveler whose ESTA application has been denied would be authorized to travel to the U.S."

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/frequently...

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#16

Post by xchaotic »

CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #11

Something that I was curious about, and which others might also be: >Sorry, you’re not allowed entry to the US on your ESTA. "ESTA" stands for the Electronic System for Travel Authorization, and is a program administered by US Customs & Border Protection (part of the Department of Homeland Security). It's used by people in Visa Waiver countries to submit information about themselves & their travel plans, before they…

I live in a country which requires a B-1 anyway. The reason we have to apply for visas is that too many (3%) people overstay their visas or something like that. Well, I got the visa bought the tickets and got asked about my return tickets upon departing from London. It turns out that under ESTA you need return tickets, but with a visa you don't (and the reason for the visa in the first place is people were not returning). There is no common sense to this.

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#17

Post by badminton1 »

By spreading FUD in this way, I wouldn't be surprised if major conferences happening in SF start moving to other countries: Apple WWDC, GDC, Google I/O, Salesforce's Dreamforce, Oracle's JavaOne... many people go through significant effort to cost their travel and it's no fun that with no notice you can get sent back home.

Really dumb move.

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#18

Post by peckrob »

irq wrote: post #3

Was it really necessary for him to refer to his Twitter follower count so many times?

I kinda read this as a stream of consciousness post about what happened. In that context, it's more an expression of astonishment that that actually happened than boasting or anything.

FWIW, I had something kind of similar happen to me a couple years ago. I posted an open letter [0] to a famous politician in my state, shared it on Facebook and Twitter as I do with all my posts, and went to bed. Overnight, it went viral and I woke up to an email box full of messages, tons of mentions on various social media outlets and a couple of phone calls from newspapers and TV stations wanting interviews.

The next few days were pretty crazy. More than anything, it was just a shocking experience to realize that that many people actually cared. I imagine he's had a similar experience. And, in fact, I wrote a follow up post [1] a week or so later rather similar to his.

So yeah, I just read this as a guy who's shocked that the world cared what happened to him. I wouldn't read more into it than a guy who's grateful that that many people took notice.

[0] http://www.robpeck.com/2015/06/an-open-letter-to-roy-moore/

[1] http://www.robpeck.com/2015/07/what-happens-when-your-post-g...

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#19

Post by Florin_Andrei »

badminton1 wrote: post #17

By spreading FUD in this way, I wouldn't be surprised if major conferences happening in SF start moving to other countries: Apple WWDC, GDC, Google I/O, Salesforce's Dreamforce, Oracle's JavaOne... many people go through significant effort to cost their travel and it's no fun that with no notice you can get sent back home. Really dumb move.

True.

However, it's coherent with everything else going on around this administration.

Re: Denied Entry

#20

Post by lucb1e »

prawn wrote: post #14
rdiddly wrote: post #2

Kudos to the QUIC working group for this absolutely correct response: "We won’t hold any further interim meetings in the US, until there’s a change in this situation."

International conferences should be considering this also. I'm a plain white guy with nothing dramatic to hide and I was apprehensive on my recent visit to the US. I can imagine people working in tech security, or with backgrounds/family from particular countries, would be more nervous.

I work in tech security and indeed, I've thought about this topic and I'd be nervous as hell.

Then again, needing to put my laptop in check-in luggage (with a backdoored lock? Is that really a thing? I only saw "TSA-approved locks" mentioned somewhere and am only inferring the existence of backdoored locks here) is a no-go in the first place, so I'd need to (1) want to go to the USA, (2) not take a laptop and (3) probably buy a special backdoored suitcase. That's a pretty rare combination.

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