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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by smoyer »

pricechild wrote: post #221
smoyer wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well ... Trump lied to a bunch of disenfranchised blue-collar workers and added them to the patriotic isolationists. If you weren't part of that group but had previously voted republican, you probably wouldn't vote for Clinton either. My biggest hope is that this lasts only four years (or less) and that a) the two major parties come to their senses or b) we end up with more than two viable parties. For those of us in…

In your experience, has the leader of the political party opposing your beliefs always told the truth in the past?

In my experience, none of the political leaders tell the truth ... I wasn't always this cynical but I've learned to not trust their words as I got older. I became "politically alert" during the Reagan years and didn't realize until much later that things weren't quite as rosy as his pleasant sounding speeches made him sound (he was a great communicator). I also thought Obama could have used his speaking ability to be a great president (he showed his chops as a junior senator).

As far as opposing my beliefs, I think I'd like to be a libertarian and so, in general, they all oppose my beliefs? I guess it's a matter of which one least opposes them? Promotes my rights (to privacy!), etc. I used to think my best-case scenario in Washington was a grid-locked house and senate but that seems too optimistic now.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by mejari »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #266
b6 wrote: post #113

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> Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. Not to rehash the past, but I thought we had gotten it clear by now: voting for the guy does not indicate support. Americans vote for the candidate they fear and despise the least.

> Americans vote for the [Republican or Democratic] candidate they fear and despise the least. That's exactly the flawed logic that is keeping us in this two party system. If we just vote for the candidate we support, neither Trump not Hillary would stand a chance. The trouble with convincing people to actually do that is that most Americans feel the need to be on the winning side. "My vote is worthless unless it's f…

That's fundamentally not the "logic that is keeping us in this two party system". That logic is the logic of understanding our current electoral system. The US electoral system as it currently stands will inevitably result in a two-party system. Sure you can change which two parties it is, that's happened several times, but without changing First Past The Post you're not going to get any other system.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by goalieca »

bythckr wrote: post #195
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

Most English websites I visit are Canadian. I'm not on social media but I can argue that most content for that is regional as well.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by buremba »

GreaterFool wrote: post #78
qume wrote: post #68

Just to balance the narrative here a bit, I have traveled into and out of the US many times per year for around 15 years with no problems on an ESTA. I only recently switched to a visa. After a long flight having to deal with the delay and hassle of immigration seems much worse than it is. I really hate it, and the comments here suggest others do too, but if you look at what we have to deal with objectively it's not…

> cURL has been used extensively for bad purposes What?! Sources please.

curl -i -X POST http://SOME_TERRIBLE_WEBSITE/api/people/SSN/kill

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by adultSwim »

y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

Sanction the US now!

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by yodon »

humanrebar wrote: post #239
kogepathic wrote: post #210

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> Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. You cannot claim that people who didn't vote don't support Trump (or vice versa, don't support Hillary). There simply isn't any data to support this. > Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. Citation needed.

I voted for a third party candidate. I know many who voted down ticket and left the presidential ballot blank. And it doesn't make sense, but I can understand why someone would feel like not voting at all out of disgust.

I suspect I'm not alone in wishing you had cast your vote in a way that mattered. Hopefully in hindsight it's clear no one "listened" to your deep moral convictions (or whatever) that led you to vote for that third party or to led your friends to vote blank top of ballot entries.

You simply fell prey to a focused disinformation campaign that actively tried to prevent intelligent voters from voting and that worked, probably well enough to influence the outcome of the election. That's a hard pill to swallow and you'll probably tell me and yourself that of course that's not what happened, but it wasn't an accident you felt that way. The Russians are very, very good at disinformation and always have been.

You're smart enough to accumulate huge karma here on HN so I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out how voting works. Hopefully you'll manage to fight the confirmation bias you'll likely look for to justify your past actions and be able to make your future actions matter. A great many people wish they had your vote. Please make it count.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by splawn »

tptacek wrote: post #272
splawn wrote: post #249

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The GOP continues to be impregnated with racism thanks to the southern strategy.[0] If you don't think out in the open racist culture is alive, well and considered normal in the rural south, you are fooling yourself. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

The Republican party contains more overt racists than the Democratic party, but the formulation in your comment is tendentious and hugely oversimplifies the situation.

I wasn't aware of the formulation in my comment when I made it. I was trying to rebut a comment that I felt had a little bit of denial running through it. I am clumsy with words though.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pas »

GreaterFool wrote: post #237
pas wrote: post #167

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Change takes time. It's a complex problem deeply rooted in fear, mongered by people who now successfully occupied the White House. In the mean time, I agree, probably a simpler yet more aggressive tit-for-tat approach would be more fruitful.

Nothing has been done about unequal treatment of EU countries in the past decade. Don't you think this is long overdue? For EU it should be a matter of principle and backbone. They simply don't have them. EU has proven several times that they will look the other way as long as it benefits larger members.

Agreed.

I think the prime example of this is the common energy policy, that then Germany regularly fucks up with the OPAL pipeline deals with Putin.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by submeta »

gtirloni wrote: post #83
efoto wrote: post #36

"Don't assume malice when stupidity is an adequate explanation." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

My exact thoughts. The bureaucracy/machinery is so complex that it could have been any minor error in the paperwork. For a person, this is their worst day. For a huge bureaucracy, nothing.

Pretty Kafkaesque
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