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California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by Diederich »

tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

> California cognitive dissonance

I was born here over 40 years ago, and I've lived here since then except for a 15 year stint in the south and midwest.

I love my state; but this place is objectively crazy in a lot of ways.

Maybe that's one of the core ingredients to the many other awesome things here.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by tptacek »

rarrrrrr wrote: post #53
tptacek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Importantly: you are unlikely to avoid significant acrylamide production in home cooking. It's the potatoes that need the warning, not the chips.

My CIA cookbook begins potato recipes with first blanching them in water prior to roasting, sauté, etc, which is apparently an effective mitigation.

My understanding --- which is casual and mostly comes from Dave Arnold rants on Cooking Issues --- is that acrylamide is produced any time you brown a potato. So: you can eat boiled or mashed potatoes, sure, but if you roast them you're exposed.

This is equally true of meat, and other vegetables.

You essentially can't avoid acrylamide if you cook. Labeling it is silly.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by chiph »

gedy wrote: post #52
striking wrote: post #18

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If everything has a warning on it, what's the point?

Lawsuits. Giving lawyers something else to sue about.

While I'm sure that wasn't the intent, the net result is .. you're not wrong about that.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by bradly »

tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

The California Prop 65 signs are the brick and mortar equivalent to "this site uses cookies" notices online. As soon as every store/site has them, it is the same as no store/site having them.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by jcranmer »

sp332 wrote: post #3

Would this affect produce in a grocery store? I thought the pesticide was supposed to be mostly gone by the time the product is harvested. I mean there are stories of farmers blasting it on crops later in the cycle but those seem to be an exception.

Pesticide residue is absolutely not a concern. If you're still terrified of it, just rinse your fruit and vegetables off first, and that will eliminate it.

Glyphosate itself really isn't a problem unless you're dealing with 55-gallon drums of it on a regular basis (and even then, the evidence is less than compelling). But such is chemophobia that we can't treat repercussions in an industrial settings with solely OSHA-style rules but must freak out about it even in situations where it's clearly not an issue.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by DannyBee »

pc86 wrote: post #59
bazzert wrote: post #39

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both salt and vinegar are more toxic than glyphosphate.

I'll drink a teaspoon of vinegar and salt every day, you drink a teaspoon of glyphosphate every day.

If you are going to drink a teaspoon of pure (not diluted) acetic acid each day, and salt, i'll definitely take the glyphosphate.

The acetic acid is going to eat your internal organs.

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Post by sabujp »

stinos wrote: post #46
bazzert wrote: post #36

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but probably more toxic than glyphosphate. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/0...

And more detrimental to soil life (though maybe that's exactly the point here)

i only use the soap + vinegar + salt on the driveway, and just the soap + vinegar on the "drought friendly" gravel backyard

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by sabujp »

bazzert wrote: post #36
sabujp wrote: post #27

I've already switched to vinegar, salt, and a pump sprayer from lowes, it's cheaper and i can buy gallons and pounds of it from costco

but probably more toxic than glyphosphate. https://geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/0...

I don't see acetic acid on your list, and as someone mentioned above, i'll take vinegar (salad dressing mainly) and take salt everyday, you can go drink the roundup.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by arbitrage »

DannyBee wrote: post #66
pc86 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll drink a teaspoon of vinegar and salt every day, you drink a teaspoon of glyphosphate every day.

If you are going to drink a teaspoon of pure (not diluted) acetic acid each day, and salt, i'll definitely take the glyphosphate. The acetic acid is going to eat your internal organs.

Nobody said pure acetic acid. It's diluted to 5%.

Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by adrr »

rudedogg wrote: post #26

I switched from using RoundUp to a vinegar/salt/dish soap solution this summer and can't believe how well it works. It seems to be just as effective as RoundUp.

Depending on the vinegar/soap it may contain alcohol which is known carcinogen where glyphosates are a suspected carcinogen. On toxicity, acetic acid in vinegar is pretty high and associated with things like osteoporosis which has been seen in people who consume apple cider vinegar on a daily basis. Along the same lines LD50 of glyphosates is 10,000mg/kg where acetic acid in vinegar is fatal at 3000mg/kg.
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