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California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Re: California to list glyphosate as cancer-causing

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Post by davidivadavid »

epmaybe wrote: post #2

Seems to me that the evidence surrounding this isn't strong enough to warrant designating glyphosate as "cancer-causing" for humans, but the evidence surrounding the adverse effects in animals is pretty strong (based on my skimming of the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#Humans ). Would like to hear thoughts from anyone close to the matter, I'm sure you have a different perspective than I.

After this disaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9ralini_affair I'm very skeptical about claims of glyphosate being "cancer-causing" (whatever that means when no measure of effect size is mentioned), even in animals.

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

Not really. Starbucks in CA have Prop 65 warnings listing coffee as as a carcinogen.

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Post by tptacek »

TACIXAT wrote: post #9
tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

I just bought a bag of chips (from Costco in Maryland) that has a known-in-the-state-of-California warning about acrylamide.

Wow. I stand corrected.

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Post by UtahDave »

California thinks EVERYTHING is cancer causing. I took my kids to Disneyland last year and right after the security screen there was a Prop 65 sign saying (roughly) that "Disneyland contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer". How is that helpful at all?

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Post by striking »

tptacek wrote: post #13
TACIXAT wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just bought a bag of chips (from Costco in Maryland) that has a known-in-the-state-of-California warning about acrylamide.

Wow. I stand corrected.

"The settlement requires the potato chip producers to reduce acrylamide to 275 parts per billion in three years, a low enough level to avoid a Prop. 65 warning label. That amounts to a 20 percent reduction for Frito-Lay and an 87 percent reduction for Kettle Chips, Brown's office said. Little or no reduction will be needed for most Cape Cod chips, but one product, Cape Cod Robust Russets, will require a warning label, the attorney general said."

from http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Lawsuit-over-potato-ch...

The acrylamide level of the potato increases as it browns. It appears the acrylamide level of these particular chips is therefore unavoidable.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

spraak wrote: post #8

Even when I've been outside of California I've noticed the "known to the State of California to cause..." warnings. I wonder why

It's because most products in the US are sold in multiple states, including California, and the logistics of ensuring your "known to cause cancer in California" warnings are only printed on the "California version" of those products just isn't worth the effort. Better to just have one version of your product that can be sold in any state.

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Post by throwaway76543 »

tptacek wrote: post #13
TACIXAT wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just bought a bag of chips (from Costco in Maryland) that has a known-in-the-state-of-California warning about acrylamide.

Wow. I stand corrected.

McDonalds in California all have a prominent Prop 65 warning about acrylamide near checkout. Example: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T_-QObaB0sY/Tts3XPghilI/AAAAAAAAEL...

I haven't seen this in other venues that serve fried potato. I wonder if McDonalds was sued at some point.

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Post by striking »

cjensen wrote: post #10
tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

Yep. Just a clarification: supermarkets, restaurants, bars, and coffee houses already have a single sign warning about cancer-causing agents per Prop 65. The "bag of potatoes" in your example would not have to be individually labeled. The Prop 65 warnings are basically invisible to Californians because they are literally posted everywhere food is sold.

If everything has a warning on it, what's the point?

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Post by strictnein »

UtahDave wrote: post #14

California thinks EVERYTHING is cancer causing. I took my kids to Disneyland last year and right after the security screen there was a Prop 65 sign saying (roughly) that "Disneyland contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer". How is that helpful at all?

It's as helpful as the cookie notifications on all the European websites.

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Post by intopieces »

cjensen wrote: post #10
tptacek wrote: post #6

Here's the current California Prop 65 list. It's... extensive. https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/proposition-65//p65sing... I don't think this means as much as the headline makes it sound like. In the State of California, alcoholic beverages are also carcinogens requiring warnings. California cognitive dissonance: the science suggesting carcinogenicity of acrylamide, which is present --- in significant amounts ---…

Yep. Just a clarification: supermarkets, restaurants, bars, and coffee houses already have a single sign warning about cancer-causing agents per Prop 65. The "bag of potatoes" in your example would not have to be individually labeled. The Prop 65 warnings are basically invisible to Californians because they are literally posted everywhere food is sold.

> The Prop 65 warnings are basically invisible to Californians because they are literally posted everywhere food is sold.

I just don't know what to do with the information on those signs. They are posted outside my apartment, at my work's garage, at Fry's... if I actively heeded the sign's warnings I would have to leave California I guess.

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