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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pricechild »

smoyer wrote: post #217
op00to wrote: post #144

We didn't elect Donald Trump. He was installed by the Russian government.

Well ... Trump lied to a bunch of disenfranchised blue-collar workers and added them to the patriotic isolationists. If you weren't part of that group but had previously voted republican, you probably wouldn't vote for Clinton either. My biggest hope is that this lasts only four years (or less) and that a) the two major parties come to their senses or b) we end up with more than two viable parties. For those of us in…

In your experience, has the leader of the political party opposing your beliefs always told the truth in the past?

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by petraeus »

humanrebar wrote: post #72
timr wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A small percentage of Americans wants to do this. Most Americans are indifferent (as in most countries), but the reactionary party has won the day, and a total lunatic is in the White House. Sadly. But this too shall pass. Not that I disagree with your conclusion: I hope conference organizers (and other groups) do start focusing abroad. The only thing that the GOP reliably responds to is the interests of money. Start…

I wouldn't call new and capricious changes to immigration policy as right wing or reactionary. It's populist and probably xenophobic but it doesn't really fit on the American ideological spectrum like that. Trump isn't representative of the bulk of the GOP, in other words. When he's gone, you won't see this sort of thing re-emerge. As weird as it sounds to some, Trump won mostly because he was not Clinton, not becaus…

Trump won because he was a better politician. Over-promise and under-deliver

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pricechild »

qume wrote: post #163
tgragnato wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one should be held responsible for a fact that causes damage without direct involvement. The legal system uses `iuris personae` and limited liability precisely for this. Distinguishing a natural person from a legal person in this case is contrary to the purpose of the laws in force. Each tool can be used for good and for evil: risk management is primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain l…

He wasn't denied entry into the US. He was denied access to a fast track system for entry into the US, so he has to use the slow, annoying, more methodical way. It certainly sucks, but your summary of the US legal system is irrelevant.

He apparently had his paperwork in order and was rejected when he tried to travel.

Spin it however you like, but the fact is that he was denied entry into the US?

Whether or not he can pay (time, money) to go in the future is irrelevant to being denied today?

Regarding the entire esta vs visas... I'm lucky enough to have passed painlessly through VISA and I don't understand the difference between them? You have to apply for both? You have to provide your identity documents, information about yourself, payment? The only difference I can see is that you don't need to visit an embassy? Why do we draw a distinction, other than marketing?

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

sacheendra wrote: post #14
TekMol wrote: post #4

My feeling is that I read stories like these pretty often. That somebody was denied entry or arrested or humiliated while entering the USA. Is this because it happens more often in the USA then in other countries? Or is there some kind of reporting bias at play?

I guess its both. Newsworthy people visit the USA more often than other countries due the concentration of a lot of companies and conferences. So, I believe denial of entry happens more often than in other countries. But, there is also the running trend of focusing on bad/silly things happening in the USA.

> But, there is also the running trend of focusing on bad/silly things happening in the USA.

This is a silly thing if you never travel, but if you travel abroad you realize that most borders are friendly except for a few countries (and the US is on top of the list for worst borders imo)

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

TekMol wrote: post #4

My feeling is that I read stories like these pretty often. That somebody was denied entry or arrested or humiliated while entering the USA. Is this because it happens more often in the USA then in other countries? Or is there some kind of reporting bias at play?

> Or is there some kind of reporting bias at play?

No it is not, read the comments here to see that many people even on HN are impacted by the US borders in bad ways.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

ubernostrum wrote: post #105
davidbanham wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US border is awful for travellers. I'm Australian, so a very friendly nation, and it sucks every time. Much worse than borders in Europe or Asia. I refuse to travel to the states these days whether for work or pleasure. The fact that it seems to be getting worse rather than better is very worrying.

I have Global Entry so I don't interact with US customs officers aside from waving a receipt at them on my way out of the immigration hall. So I don't have experience of them. But my personal worst stories of border crossings all involve either Canada or Germany, for what it's worth. Canada's CBSA in particular seem to revel in it, yelling at you for asking a question, yelling at you for doing what they told you to d…

well you just described the US borders for the rest of us.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by whatever_dude »

rebolek wrote: post #60
kraftman wrote: post #7

My guess would be that the US found some dodgy software that happened to make use of cURL, add flagged him as part of it, given what he's previously said about receiving emails from people that have found his details in other software: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/14/i-have-toyota-corola/

My guess is that DHS denies entry to random people just to hit some internal quotas.

This. Without reading the article, my first assumption is that a Visa was denied on random grounds, eg coming from a country where visas are already hard to get. I can't believe anyone on the US Visa offices actually doing their research on the person.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

Capt-RogerOver wrote: post #28

He seems to have tried to enter USA using ESTA. ESTA is not a visa, it's a visa-waiver program. It's specifically created as an easier method of entering a country, but as a trade-off, it says in the terms that they can deny it for any reason with no questions. This does not mean that the person cannot enter the country per se, it just means they need to apply for a real visa.

I do not get your point. The ESTA is the only way to get to the country if you're going to a conference or on holidays or to visit someone.

If you're looking for better, you need to find a job to sponsor you and you need to go through the lottery (H1B). Or you need to work for a US company abroad for more than a year (L1). Or you need to get married with an american person.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

ubernostrum wrote: post #118

Just to throw out an anecdote: a while back I nearly was denied boarding of an international flight, because it turned out the airline had mixed up my passport data and decided I was not a US citizen and would need a visa to return to the United States. I discovered this at the airport, when trying to drop off my bag. Fortunately, the airline agent was able to get a supervisor who took a look at my (US citizen) passp…

Oh my, I was denied as well last time I entered because the person at the border looked at the wrong page on my passport (which was a Visa for the previous year). She just told me she couldn't let me in without any fucking reason. I realized she was looking at the wrong page and had to tell her to look at the correct one. She gave me her best "I don't give a fuck" impression and let me go on my way.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

vadym909 wrote: post #205

Sorry for your troubles. In many blue states that didn't vote Trump, our votes are worth 25% of the votes of some red states. Not our fault- what was implemented to make it fair to small states is now a menace to the large states. Demagogues that cater to the GOP agenda manipulate the red-state populace like 3rd world dictators. Our only hope is for the next Dem Presidential candidate to be sensible but also capable…

Oh this has been going on before Trump took leadership.
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