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Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by TeMPOraL »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #41
andrepd wrote: post #14

> (...) connecting our users with thousands of advertisers, large and small, in ways that are useful for both . We truly live in the age of spinning, of euphemisms, where words lose all their meaning. All-pervasive advertising, the most insidious technique of consumer capitalism, is now an idealistic connecting of people (why, rather than fining us indeed they should be thanking thanking us for that, they seem to say…

I'd encourage you (and everyone) to read the comments in the other thread happening today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643712 You'll see people baffled by this decision and generally happy with the service and products google offers. It's just a reminder to remember that what doesn't work for you may be pure bliss for other people.

GP wasn't complaining about product issues (which were discussed in the other thread), but about the doublespeak used in Google's response.

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by nthcolumn »

Jyaif wrote: post #27
8draco8 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In return EU have healthy job market with ~40hr work week and proper healthcare. Most of EU companies are not trying to keep me as developer in a golden cage, offering me everything so I wouldn't have to go home anymore. There are many healthy business hubs here in Europe (London, Cardiff-Bristol-Bath, Berlin and many others), maybe they do not have that superstar status as SV but they are still good places to be. So…

> have healthy job market Reminder: the EU's unemployment rate is twice as high as the US'.

Hell some people have as many as three jobs in the states! We got way more jobs than you!

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by GrantSolar »

vixen99 wrote: post #37
pgtan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only "healthy" in the EU is the EU-Socialism

And the fact that laws are proposed and made by unelected officials in private. Is that the future?

Unless something changed very recently, EU laws are reviewed and adopted by the European Council (Heads of State for each member state) and the European Parliament which consists of elected MEPs

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by walterstucco »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #39

I hope Trump fines EU for all these non-sense fines they impose on American companies. Feels like EU is trying to compensate for their high debt.

Your us companies can sell their products and ads to your us rednecks

We won't miss you

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by flexie »

hoorayimhelping wrote: post #41
andrepd wrote: post #14

> (...) connecting our users with thousands of advertisers, large and small, in ways that are useful for both . We truly live in the age of spinning, of euphemisms, where words lose all their meaning. All-pervasive advertising, the most insidious technique of consumer capitalism, is now an idealistic connecting of people (why, rather than fining us indeed they should be thanking thanking us for that, they seem to say…

I'd encourage you (and everyone) to read the comments in the other thread happening today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643712 You'll see people baffled by this decision and generally happy with the service and products google offers. It's just a reminder to remember that what doesn't work for you may be pure bliss for other people.

On the contrary, in the other thread I see people mainly being supportive of the decision to fine Google for the abuse of its dominant position.

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by [deleted] »

tfcata wrote: post #23
andrepd wrote: post #14

> (...) connecting our users with thousands of advertisers, large and small, in ways that are useful for both . We truly live in the age of spinning, of euphemisms, where words lose all their meaning. All-pervasive advertising, the most insidious technique of consumer capitalism, is now an idealistic connecting of people (why, rather than fining us indeed they should be thanking thanking us for that, they seem to say…

And as Apple 're-defines' a couple of things each year.

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Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by dontnotice »

andrepd wrote: post #14

> (...) connecting our users with thousands of advertisers, large and small, in ways that are useful for both . We truly live in the age of spinning, of euphemisms, where words lose all their meaning. All-pervasive advertising, the most insidious technique of consumer capitalism, is now an idealistic connecting of people (why, rather than fining us indeed they should be thanking thanking us for that, they seem to say…

It's weird that someone commenting here never read corporate PR before, I guess it's not any weirder than the proliferation of anti capitalist sentiment in a startup incubator community section.

Still it's not nearly as nonsensical as this case in which a website operator is being fined billions for not featuring other website some more.

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by dontnotice »

walterstucco wrote: post #52
dontnotice wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Common origin does not disprove animosity or self interest. One wonders what NewsCorp or Oracle concerns are in ecommerce search, but then you remember that they had well publicized scuffles with Google. The last record fine was against a US company, as were recent tax related fines, patterns are harder to refute.

I'm sure EU court have based its decision on a number of different factors. The letter from Oracle is just one of them.

Court? the problem is that these fines don't go through any court.

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by pulse7 »

dontnotice wrote: post #67
andrepd wrote: post #14

> (...) connecting our users with thousands of advertisers, large and small, in ways that are useful for both . We truly live in the age of spinning, of euphemisms, where words lose all their meaning. All-pervasive advertising, the most insidious technique of consumer capitalism, is now an idealistic connecting of people (why, rather than fining us indeed they should be thanking thanking us for that, they seem to say…

It's weird that someone commenting here never read corporate PR before, I guess it's not any weirder than the proliferation of anti capitalist sentiment in a startup incubator community section. Still it's not nearly as nonsensical as this case in which a website operator is being fined billions for not featuring other website some more.

"for not featuring other website some more" => for not featuring other website equally as own ones...

Re: Google's response to the European Commission fine

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Post by pulse7 »

dontnotice wrote: post #24
ko27 wrote: post #11

I think it would be worth adding these opinions of other US-based companies: "A number of US companies - including Oracle - published a joint letter addressed to Vestager this week in support of penalties against Google for “anticompetitive conduct.” It said: "As you near final decisions in the Shopping and Android cases, Google and its allies will no doubt continue to press through its lobbying and public relations…

Common origin does not disprove animosity or self interest. One wonders what NewsCorp or Oracle concerns are in ecommerce search, but then you remember that they had well publicized scuffles with Google. The last record fine was against a US company, as were recent tax related fines, patterns are harder to refute.

"patterns are harder to refute" -> there is also a pattern, how big US tech companies avoid tax payments in EU, it even has a name ("double irish sandwich")
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