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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by oAlbe »

humanrebar wrote: post #107
nickserv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost all Americans think this sort of thing is nonsense. But the average American has little standing to hold the American bureaucracy accountable for its nonsense. Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. > Americans, especially outside overcrowded urban areas, are courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very tolerant of other people and ideas. I've found qu…

Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. I think that is kind of silly but that's the thought process of the Trump voters I talk to. I can't comment about your personal experiences in small town America other than to say that my experience is very different and that referring to areas epithetically (1)…

> [...] most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump.

That is not a valid argument by any possible mean. Everybody has the right to vote whatever they want of course, but saying what you said is like saying "people eat meat to piss off vegans more than because they like it". And regardless, the driving motive of something doesn't change the end result of such something.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. They voted for Trump and their is the fault of the current state of things. Period. The reasons behind why they did it don't matter and, frankly, it's also nobody's business.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

dalovar wrote: post #146
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

I propose the Bahamas as the new location to do meetups, it's close to the US, has casinos, good conference rooms, it's a tax haven, AND the Hearthstone's World Championship will be done there. Blizzard must have chosen that location for a reason.. Other than that, sad for Daniel. This is madness =(

I believe Visa issues have been a huge problem in the past for esport events. So it makes sense for Blizzard to go there yes.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

qume wrote: post #170
MatthewWilkes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the US, this one last year was big news: https://medium.com/@rachelnabors/wtfuk-73009d5623b4 I suspect there are a few confounding factors. Firstly, lots of non-residents travel to tech conferences in the US. This gives them a wider pool of people to reject. My personal experience is that US-Americans are underrepresented at conferences in other places. They're by no means absent, but it feels off to me…

>Of my colleagues who travel a lot I don't know anyone who's had trouble at a border other than the US Also my experience. In a massive country like the US it's easy to get irate about individual cases like this but also important to acknowledge that in general it works pretty well. I know of more cases in other countries of this happening (including to myself) than the US.

Now in general they treat people like shit at the border. These are not just some cases.

Actually, they treat their own people like shit too, see the security lines at airports during the summer (O'Hare I hate you).

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by baby »

qume wrote: post #68

Just to balance the narrative here a bit, I have traveled into and out of the US many times per year for around 15 years with no problems on an ESTA. I only recently switched to a visa. After a long flight having to deal with the delay and hassle of immigration seems much worse than it is. I really hate it, and the comments here suggest others do too, but if you look at what we have to deal with objectively it's not…

> For me getting a visa was a pretty easy process

Just because it went well for you doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye for other people. As soon as you don't come from a list of "nice" countries crossing borders is a living hell.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by vadym909 »

Sorry for your troubles. In many blue states that didn't vote Trump, our votes are worth 25% of the votes of some red states. Not our fault- what was implemented to make it fair to small states is now a menace to the large states. Demagogues that cater to the GOP agenda manipulate the red-state populace like 3rd world dictators.

Our only hope is for the next Dem Presidential candidate to be sensible but also capable of charming or hoodwinking the red states in some way. I thought Bernie would be good, but he's too honest. We need someone like Bill Clinton again.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by MotokoCMDR »

hmans wrote: post #65
MotokoCMDR wrote: post #52

Absolutely no trouble at US airports. YMMV. Staff at JFK were professional, friendly and fast. This person may not have realized an ESTA needed in advance. He could be doing the thing people often do where they screw something up, and then, irresponsibly give a vague explanation, that they can deny later, but that leaves open to interpretation the possibility that they were somehow unfairly treated, when it might hav…

"It's never happened to me, so it must be that guy's fault!"

Oh no I didn't say causation. But I get if pretending I did is the only way you can reply.

My own version: "Guy didn't say it was his fault, so it can't be!" "People always own their mistakes, never blame others!"

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by open-source-ux »

bythckr wrote: post #195
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

BBC News

The Guardian

And much as I hate to say it: The Mail online

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by MotokoCMDR »

justin_vanw wrote: post #75
MotokoCMDR wrote: post #52

Absolutely no trouble at US airports. YMMV. Staff at JFK were professional, friendly and fast. This person may not have realized an ESTA needed in advance. He could be doing the thing people often do where they screw something up, and then, irresponsibly give a vague explanation, that they can deny later, but that leaves open to interpretation the possibility that they were somehow unfairly treated, when it might hav…

Yes, these inflammatory stories surface on here from time to time. Everyone jumps from 'someone was inconvenienced' to 'totalitarianism' in 1 second with 0 information. People start calling for boycotts of the US. Later, 9 times out of 10 it ends up being nothing, but there's not a story with thousands of posts with people saying 'oh, I jumped to conclusions'. In fact people don't ever hear about the resolution, and…

True. People love to play at being victims of something. They absolutely love a ripper of a story of some absolute bad villain. Even if none exists. It's amazing the fictions that masquerade as truths, while everyone is out pretending they've got a monopoly on facts. I'd laugh if it wasn't so devastatingly sad. I'm still laughing tho. Maybe the internet virtualizes/fictionalizes everything and we're all just "victims" of our own creation. Frankennet.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pdkl95 »

DamonHD wrote: post #71
gadders wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I have flown to the US the border/passport guards have been polite and friendly. I'm a white, 40+ Brit with family. YMMV.

Staff have generally been friendly yes, with the process sometimes quick, sometimes slow, as anywhere. Customs and Immigration are not there as an alternative comedy store anywhere in the world. But it's been friendly with bags searched nearly every damn time, and the clear implication that I am a threat. I am a white middle class male with nothing against the US (and indeed a long time working for a US flagship comp…

> Customs and Immigration are not there as an alternative comedy store anywhere in the world.

I participated in a student exchange program that traveled to Russia the summer after the USSR became the CIS. At the end of that trip, we took a buss from St. Petersburg to Helsinki, which required a passing through customs on each side of the border back-to-back.

Exit customs on the Russian side were what you would expect. The group leaders carefully warned us to be quiet/polite/no-jokes, have your passport/visa in hand, etc. It was a polite but very strict situation that created a small but persistent nervousness.

After the very-brief drive to the Finnish side, the customs official that boarded our buss to take the group's passports noticed this nervousness, paused briefly with a laugh, and said to our buss full of students, "Don't worry! You're not in Russia anymore! You can laugh!"

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by kogepathic »

humanrebar wrote: post #107
nickserv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost all Americans think this sort of thing is nonsense. But the average American has little standing to hold the American bureaucracy accountable for its nonsense. Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. > Americans, especially outside overcrowded urban areas, are courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very tolerant of other people and ideas. I've found qu…

Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. I think that is kind of silly but that's the thought process of the Trump voters I talk to. I can't comment about your personal experiences in small town America other than to say that my experience is very different and that referring to areas epithetically (1)…

> Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates.

You cannot claim that people who didn't vote don't support Trump (or vice versa, don't support Hillary). There simply isn't any data to support this.

> Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump.

Citation needed.

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