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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by aoloe »

curiousgal wrote: post #18
willvarfar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except if that were so they'd just routinely stop him on arrival instead. We've had countless stories of programmers being interviewed crossing borders and offered deals. There was one on HN just last week about a programmer tweeting about being approached, but I can't find that story.. but its their MO. Do-Not-Fly is for people they fear might blow up the plane before it arrives in the US.

Wouldn't he not be given a visa in the first place if he was such a suspect?

He probably does not need a visa (that's the case if one has a biometric passport)

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by ccozan »

curiousgal wrote: post #18
willvarfar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except if that were so they'd just routinely stop him on arrival instead. We've had countless stories of programmers being interviewed crossing borders and offered deals. There was one on HN just last week about a programmer tweeting about being approached, but I can't find that story.. but its their MO. Do-Not-Fly is for people they fear might blow up the plane before it arrives in the US.

Wouldn't he not be given a visa in the first place if he was such a suspect?

He's Swedish national, just needs to fill in the ESTA, no visa requirement.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by thecopy »

curiousgal wrote: post #18
willvarfar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except if that were so they'd just routinely stop him on arrival instead. We've had countless stories of programmers being interviewed crossing borders and offered deals. There was one on HN just last week about a programmer tweeting about being approached, but I can't find that story.. but its their MO. Do-Not-Fly is for people they fear might blow up the plane before it arrives in the US.

Wouldn't he not be given a visa in the first place if he was such a suspect?

Swedes can get a visa waiver automatically within a few minutes online by using an online form.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by akie »

sacheendra wrote: post #14
TekMol wrote: post #4

My feeling is that I read stories like these pretty often. That somebody was denied entry or arrested or humiliated while entering the USA. Is this because it happens more often in the USA then in other countries? Or is there some kind of reporting bias at play?

I guess its both. Newsworthy people visit the USA more often than other countries due the concentration of a lot of companies and conferences. So, I believe denial of entry happens more often than in other countries. But, there is also the running trend of focusing on bad/silly things happening in the USA.

To be honest, my experience is that US border checks are very aggressive (like, passive aggression and suspicion is the default attitude). I've seen worse, but my last entrance into the US (in 2012) featured barking sniffer dogs and open distrust – and I'm a white middle class European traveling from a European country. Don't get this much in other places.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by Capt-RogerOver »

He seems to have tried to enter USA using ESTA. ESTA is not a visa, it's a visa-waiver program. It's specifically created as an easier method of entering a country, but as a trade-off, it says in the terms that they can deny it for any reason with no questions. This does not mean that the person cannot enter the country per se, it just means they need to apply for a real visa.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by tome »

akie wrote: post #26
sacheendra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess its both. Newsworthy people visit the USA more often than other countries due the concentration of a lot of companies and conferences. So, I believe denial of entry happens more often than in other countries. But, there is also the running trend of focusing on bad/silly things happening in the USA.

To be honest, my experience is that US border checks are very aggressive (like, passive aggression and suspicion is the default attitude). I've seen worse, but my last entrance into the US (in 2012) featured barking sniffer dogs and open distrust – and I'm a white middle class European traveling from a European country. Don't get this much in other places.

While we're sharing anecdotes, I flew into JFK several times around 2013-2014 and experienced only quick and friendly border security agents.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by dav43 »

akie wrote: post #26
sacheendra wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess its both. Newsworthy people visit the USA more often than other countries due the concentration of a lot of companies and conferences. So, I believe denial of entry happens more often than in other countries. But, there is also the running trend of focusing on bad/silly things happening in the USA.

To be honest, my experience is that US border checks are very aggressive (like, passive aggression and suspicion is the default attitude). I've seen worse, but my last entrance into the US (in 2012) featured barking sniffer dogs and open distrust – and I'm a white middle class European traveling from a European country. Don't get this much in other places.

I would say there is no passivity at all. It is aggressive plain and simple. I’ve gone through a few times in 5 years and it’s getting worse and worse.

I won’t be returning.

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