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Canadian province secretly passes law allowing arrest of those who won't show ID

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Re: Canadian province secretly passes law allowing arrest of those who won't show ID

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That's a pretty broad title... What the law actually changes is that if you're within 5 meters of the 'fence' surrounding the G20 zone, police have the right to ask you for ID and what you're doing there. If you don't show ID or answer their questions you are subject to arrest (but, as with this guy, probably no prosecution).

Totally agree. You have this guy (probably with his green bandanna over his face) while "exploring the G20 perimeter with his friend". Being passive aggressive landed him in jail but will probably have his court date dropped before July 28. Then again this appears to only be his side of the story. You want to bet that he was being a little more than passive aggressive ;) I don't really mind people who protest but I h…

I just walked home through much of the G20 district and must have walked by roughly 500 police officers on my way home. Most of them are just concerned with finding shade at this point (it's a cloudless sunny day). None of them are being jerks to people that are going about their business. As I got closer to the perimeter fence though, I noticed a lot more police staring at me. I felt uneasy enough that I took a detour home that avoided getting any closer.

That said, I don't have a problem with this law. I do have a problem with the way it was passed.

1. It was passed without debate.

2. By the time it is published in the Gazette (government newspaper where laws and other notices are posted) as required by law, the law itself will have expired.

3. It exposes flaws in our legislative system both with respect to process and entrenched rights (as a Canadian I basically have none because of our Constitution's notwithstanding clause).

I'd like to see these loopholes closed up. I think the law is balanced and within reason. But I would have liked to have my say before it became law. The way this went about implies that our leaders feel they have absolute power and that we citizens are merely pawns.

Re: Canadian province secretly passes law allowing arrest of those who won't show ID

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I deleted my comment, saying; "really? I'm not allowed to make assumptions." Your suggestion has been noted. Updated original post; added disclaimer.

Sure, if you want to actually explain your assumptions. When I hear that a guy was walking around, I don't usually start off by assuming that he had his face covered and he was acting suspiciously. And I sure don't consider "the police arrested him" to be credible evidence about it, either. EDIT to respond to your reply: I guess we just won't see eye-to-eye on this. I've worn a bandanna as an accessory before, and I…

I've worn a ski-mask into a bank....

Re: Canadian province secretly passes law allowing arrest of those who won't show ID

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in europe is the same. you always need to have the id with you.

Not everywhere - Europe is not homogeneous. There's no state-mandated ID in the UK, for example, so the police can't demand it here. In most circumstances you're not required to even disclose your name and address to a random plod.

Calling the UK part of Europe is a stretch...

Re: Canadian province secretly passes law allowing arrest of those who won't show ID

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everywhere - Europe is not homogeneous. There's no state-mandated ID in the UK, for example, so the police can't demand it here. In most circumstances you're not required to even disclose your name and address to a random plod.

Calling the UK part of Europe is a stretch...

It's really not. Is the UK more or less part of Europe than Norway (non-EU country), Poland (non-Euro country), or Ireland (non-Schengen country)?
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