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I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by omnifischer »

akras14 wrote: post #223
omnifischer wrote: post #61

@alexkras Sorry this comes from me in Nigeria using a second-hand MotoG (1.Gen). May be your website is not loading 23 trackers + unnecessary js. But many websites, load such crap. Please especially in third-world, we have so poor phones. Only google-CDN avoids all these. (yes, google does track me but we do not all have unlimited bandwidth).

Thank you for your response, and I am glad you find helpful and I am sorry that I speak up so much about it. Use cases like this is the only reason I've kept AMP on for so long. Have you tried disabling your JavaScript and if so could you share your experience with that?

Well thanks. Many websites do not work without js. Also, I can everytime go to settings (android/chromium) and disable js. But a standard user? She/he does not know much. Pays a lot for data + have possibilty of nagging install my app in lower section of page. google-amp-CDN solves a lot.

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Post by kavok »

shostack wrote: post #261
kavok wrote: post #214

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On iOS I usually find AMP pages to be less usable. It forces a bar at the top and I can't easily share the link. Sometimes sites don't seem to work at all. For a long time any Reddit link on the Google Search results just didn't load on iOS for me. I run an adblocker and use reading mode frequently. I do not usually suffer any issues with ads even without AMP. It is solving a problem I do not have and creating more p…

Can you elaborate on the Reddit issue? I experienced something similar (just a white page, no app opening, etc). Curious if this is the same thing.

Same thing.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by amatecha »

I was about to post that AMP breaks scrolling on my iPhone (thus rendering all AMP-intercepted websites unusable), but it looks like they finally realized it and stopped showing AMP results to my version of iOS. :thumbsup:

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Post by kavok »

enos_feedler wrote: post #288
sturmen wrote: post #201

There's a lot of backlash against AMP on principle, which I agree with and support. However, as a non-principled web consumer, I think AMP pages are 10x better than the ad-filled, slow as molasses, jump-around-as-JavaSript-loads, video autoplaying, 'stories you might like' suggested bullshit, auto-loading 20MB heaps of steaming garbage that current news sites are. I think that AMP is a stepping stone that shows the u…

Why not just fork AMP, call it openAMP and then rally around a roadmap that is more fair for the web platform at large (instead of just Google's)?

Without Google behind it how would you drive adoption?

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Post by kavok »

0xffff2 wrote: post #257
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #231

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> I think AMP pages are 10x better than the ad-filled, slow as molasses, jump-around-as-JavaSript-loads, Firefox on mobile supports extensions, so you can use UBlock Origin / UMatrix. Also the built-in reader mode makes most sites a much better experience.

>Firefox on mobile supports extensions Unfortunately this isn't true on iOS as far as I can tell.

Safari on iOS supports adblockers

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

xbmcuser wrote: post #7

Amp was the reply to Facebook articles the problem was because Facebook pages loaded faster more people were posting and sharing Facebook pages which is worse than Google Amp.

Back when FB release FB Instant, it increased my engagement with shared links significantly. Usually, on a phone browser, the thought of clicking on a link which would navigate away from the app and load a heavy full-fledged website would make me not want to click on shared links at all.

But with the lightning symbol next to Instant-supported links? Click right away. In the worst case, if the content is bad, you will back where you were in a second.

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Post by seanwilson »

boramalper wrote: post #221
sturmen wrote: post #201

There's a lot of backlash against AMP on principle, which I agree with and support. However, as a non-principled web consumer, I think AMP pages are 10x better than the ad-filled, slow as molasses, jump-around-as-JavaSript-loads, video autoplaying, 'stories you might like' suggested bullshit, auto-loading 20MB heaps of steaming garbage that current news sites are. I think that AMP is a stepping stone that shows the u…

> However, as a non-principled web consumer, I think AMP pages are 10x better than the ad-filled, slow as molasses, jump-around-as-JavaSript-loads, video autoplaying, 'stories you might like' suggested bullshit, auto-loading 20MB heaps of steaming garbage that current news sites are. You don't need AMP to get rid of them though. We can appreciate that Google encouraged developers to get rid of bloat AND to opt-in for…

> You don't need AMP to get rid of them though. We can appreciate that Google encouraged developers to get rid of bloat AND to opt-in for AMP, but that doesn't make AMP technically superior. I think we should give a critique of ourselves and ask why did we wait for a corporation G to push us to get rid of the bloat we created?

AMP (or something like it) makes it easier to push recommended practices to upper management and your team though. A site is either an AMP site or it isn't; you can't selectively ignore some of the recommended practices. If you're not using AMP, you've got to convince your team to follow the recommendations and get management to schedule time for it. For example, it's probably a tough sell to refactor an existing page to remove blocking JavaScript unless you can prove it's going to lead to a big speedup and so on for all recommendations.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to do this, just that something opinionated like AMP helps everyone follow recommended practices with less friction. It's similar to having a compiler that gives an error for a recommended practice vs it being in your coding style guide that you have to manually enforce.

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

enos_feedler wrote: post #287
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #242

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Right, but users don't care about the reasons why it's faster. They just know it's faster. Hence they use AMP, and AMP gains traction. We can say it's unfair, but that's life. If we want to defeat AMP, we have to beat it at its own game. That requires us to come up with an alternative that's equal or faster than AMP. And clearly we've failed as developers to push for non-bloated solutions. It might be possible to cre…

Isn't AMP itself just a standard way of stripping bloat from websites? You could take the AMP library, include it in your web page and do anything you want with it. What is the precise element of AMP you are trying to beat?

I think people are uncomfortable with the idea of Google controlling every aspect of your website down to the presentation. It'd be better for this to be centralized and standardized independently of Google's tendrils.

Part of what makes AMP fast is the preloading, so any AMP competitor would need to tackle that problem. You'd also need to demonstrate that websites rank better if they use your solution. And they should, if Google plays fair. If not, then at least this would be a public demo of that fact.

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