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Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by Gigablah »

int_19h wrote: post #44
ehsankia wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving you free hosting all across the world, much closer to your users, is disgusting? Unless you're hosting a webserver on your computer, your server is most likely being hosted in the cloud somewhere (aka some random computer somewhere in the world). How is it being on a Google server, instead of company X's server, suddenly disgusting?

Because such centralization gives Google immense power. The sheer potential censorship implications alone are very concerning, for example.

So how about other CDNs like Cloudflare?

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by criddell »

K0nserv wrote: post #81
zaphar wrote: post #79

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As I understand it Google has stated it does not penalize or boost AMP pages. Do you have evidence to support this accusation?

As pointed out in the article only AMP results get placed in the carousel at the top of the search results. That's definitely an example of boosting AMP. They could generate carousel entries for non-AMP pages with og:title and og:image just fine so there's not a compelling technical reason.

I believe Google uses page load time as one of the ranking factors. If your non-AMP pages load quickly, you will be fine.

I don't think they specifically reward AMP.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by IanCal »

Iv wrote: post #22
boramalper wrote: post #2

The author has some very valid points against AMP from a technical standpoint, but for me there is a single reason that is sufficient: the Web is, and should stay, free and open . Indeed, I'm having really hard time trying to understand how people can be fine with AMP while fighting for the net neutrality and so on.

I fail to see what, in AMP, makes the web less free or open. I am usually among the first on the stockade on invasive tech, but I have a hard time to understand the fuss around AMP. Yes, the cache is problematic, as it may allow Google, in a possible future, to filter some content, censor some other or not refresh often some pages. The thing is, if it does that, people will start using Google's caching, that's as sim…

> The thing is, if it does that, people will start using Google's caching, that's as simple as that.

I assume you mean "stop", but you can't. There is no way, as far as I can find, that you can opt out of google rehosting your content.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by niutech »

omnifischer wrote: post #61

@alexkras Sorry this comes from me in Nigeria using a second-hand MotoG (1.Gen). May be your website is not loading 23 trackers + unnecessary js. But many websites, load such crap. Please especially in third-world, we have so poor phones. Only google-CDN avoids all these. (yes, google does track me but we do not all have unlimited bandwidth).

Hey, would you like to try the brand new AMP Browser? It should help when the Internet connection on your PC is poor: http://ampbrowser.com

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by fgandiya »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #80
javindo wrote: post #53

I have a visual impairment and one of the things I love about Chrome on Android is the ability to override sites blocking pinch to zoom (i.e. "force enable pinch to zoom"). AMP, also made by Google, seems to somehow get around this browser setting, making AMP sites unreadable and therefore completely useless to me. Why does Google have these obvious discrepancies between their own products?

Google's approach to design has always seemed to be to wall off a bunch of teams in separate soundproof rooms with no communication with each other, meetings, or contact with the outside world. Also they're only allowed to use iPhones. This is the only way I can imagine we ended up with 437 different messaging apps and counting, and the problem you described.

> Also they're only allowed to use iPhones

Why is that? Seems a bit ironic...

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by FussyZeus »

boramalper wrote: post #2

The author has some very valid points against AMP from a technical standpoint, but for me there is a single reason that is sufficient: the Web is, and should stay, free and open . Indeed, I'm having really hard time trying to understand how people can be fine with AMP while fighting for the net neutrality and so on.

Google gets a pass on SO MUCH of the stuff it does on here that it bewilders me, genuinely, how people on HN can hold themselves both as pro net neutrality and continue to use Android phones, the Chrome browser, and advocate for personal privacy all at the same time.

Nearly every Google product spies on you to some extent, most of the time, to the furthest extent they legally and technically can. Google is DIRECTLY INCENTIVIZED to get as much info out of you as it possibly can, so that info can be distributed to advertisers and used to create a profile of you for the purposes of targeting ads. NONE OF THIS IS A SECRET, this is a business model that Google itself largely pioneered, perfected, and literally wrote the book on yet so many on HN especially are willing to give them a pass on it while deriding other, smaller companies for largely the same things on a smaller scale.

As for me, I've de-Googled to a very great extent and I feel better than ever. I miss a lot of the toys from Chrome especially but I just couldn't use it anymore, constantly feeling the stares of those digital eyes.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by tgragnato »

josteink wrote: post #84
AznHisoka wrote: post #82

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So lets say AMP was not invented. Web pages have been notoriously slow on mobile for a decade. Where is this open standard to make pages lod faster? where is W3 or Mozilla? Its been a decade. if there was a competituve open standard I would be against AMP but there isnt.

> Where is this open standard to make pages lod faster? Not filling a page of what is effectively 80KB static text-content with 20MBs of JS, fonts, tracking-code and other "assets" would be a good start. The web isn't slow. People deliberately create slow web-pages because they care more about user-tracking and "fancy" technology than they care about user-experience. And making Google a pre-requisite for any web-page…

Hopefully tech people will start to ditch companies with such a bad behaviour.

> https://twitter.com/aral/status/877998804678524928

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by brainfire »

coldtea wrote: post #36
AznHisoka wrote: post #13

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AMP does not seem like a walled garden tech. any crawler can find and use the AMP version of a page through this tag: " rel="nofollow">https://www.example.com/url/to/amp/document.html"> Thus all google is doing is rewarding sites that have implemented this and as a result load fast, no? imo, its drastically different to Instant Articles because you can never ever find the Instant Articles version of a web page. its p…

> Thus all google is doing is rewarding sites that have implemented this and as a result load fast, no? No. And Google could not care less if pages load fast -- it could incenticize making pages faster with traditional methods instead. It's all about capturing more eyeballs and proxying more traffic.

They already did that, and web "developers" did not do the work. The period in which Google incentivized faster page loads was the period of some of the worst page bloat growth.

Re: I decided to disable AMP on my site

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Post by niutech »

runn1ng wrote: post #20
romanovcode wrote: post #18

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You can use Firefox and have 0 ads with uBlock Origin.

AMP sites still look better. I am using this simple extension that shows me when a website has AMP version and I switch to it (not sure if there is an extension that does this automatically). Doesn't work 100% though https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/amplifier-ampcanon... edit: oh, this one seems to do it automatically. Nice https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/%E2%9A%A1%EF%B8%8F...

Try the AMP Browser for Windows (http://ampbrowser.com) or the AMP Browser Extension for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/amp-browser-extens...) for automatically loading AMP HTML pages, blocking ads and using Data Compression Proxy.
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