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I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by thedigitalengel »

est wrote: post #38

> I like C++ too I never met a hardcore C++ guy claim they like C++ > by hardcore I mean the kind of people who wrote Exaile I think Python weren't meant to write desktop music players. Stuff like Zope are hardcore.

I never said I was a hardcore C++ guy. :)

I'm more like a hardcore C guy.

I do know a fair bit of C++ though. Perhaps C++ would've been better if compatibility with C was not kept as a fundamental goal. Just a personal opinion.

Qt does an amazing job of taming C++. I used their framework for some GUI design and loved it.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by messel »

twism wrote: post #39

I was in the same boat as you before, but it is now my "go to" language. It happened when I started using django. Just humor yourself and go through this tutorial: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/ Don't copy and paste the code in the tutorial and when they ask you to type something in the REPL, do it. That's when it all started for me.

I was looking for a smooth way to ramp up my Python (very weak). Just had a little experience with it from the friendfeed api v2 on the app engine.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by zepolen »

nudge wrote: post #15
amix wrote: post #4

Yesterday there was an interesting link on HN comparing NLP in Python vs. other languages: http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/howto/nlp-python.ht... . I think this article shows the clearness of the Python language - - and this clearness and simplicity is the reason why I love to code in Python.

This is the main draw for me. Compared to Python, other languages (well, some) seem to require you to do so many things that just seem... unnecessary. I couldn't believe all the junk Java required of me when I took a stab at it. It's like being confronted with some unhelpful bureaucrat: I know what I mean, they know what I mean, but they're damn well going to make me trudge through all the nonsense so that what I mea…

You don't really appreciate Python until you try and program in something like Java again.

The following code is readable and I have required a variation of it in a program before:

    sorted([ord(c) for c in
        set('letters in this sentence') & set('and this one')], reverse=True)
Doing it in Java would be a chore now.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by melling »

jsankey wrote: post #6
HarrySimons wrote: post #3

I hate Python too, only because of its insistence on indentation and because of its verboseness relative to, say, Perl. I'm not against the non-Perl philosophy of There Is Only One Way To Do It, but for God's sake, don't insist on indentation! I am under a personal vow that until Python lifts its indentation requirement (say, via a command-line switch), I'm no way using this language for my programming needs.

I've never understood this objection. Do you not indent your code anyway? If so, why should you also need to delineate scopes in another way? Python allows you to choose your indentation, it just requires consistency: something that is always required by coding standards (with good reason). If there was a command line switch, would you use it? Why?

I indent my Perl code. Not everyone does, however. It's a trivial task to reformat it in an editor. I guess the only complaint I might have is why bother thinking about indentation, ever? Throw in a couple of {} and now the tools can provide additional help.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by ldsa »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #35
thedigitalengel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that short python samples are as clear as a high level language can possibly be. Implementing algorithms, for instance, becomes incredibly easy in Python. I face problems when Python programs get above a certain length. I've done some Django programming in the past. A view gets a request object (pardon me if I'm wrong or if this has changed recently) and is supposed to then render the response (or something s…

You sound that you will like Haskell. It's type system can be really paranoid (it lets you express many invariants through it), yet remain very flexible. And If you can't fathom the segregation of (side) effects, there's still Ocaml.

OCaml is a dying, soon obsolete, language. Better use F# which has way better libraries and tools.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by alphamerik »

jsankey wrote: post #6
HarrySimons wrote: post #3

I hate Python too, only because of its insistence on indentation and because of its verboseness relative to, say, Perl. I'm not against the non-Perl philosophy of There Is Only One Way To Do It, but for God's sake, don't insist on indentation! I am under a personal vow that until Python lifts its indentation requirement (say, via a command-line switch), I'm no way using this language for my programming needs.

I've never understood this objection. Do you not indent your code anyway? If so, why should you also need to delineate scopes in another way? Python allows you to choose your indentation, it just requires consistency: something that is always required by coding standards (with good reason). If there was a command line switch, would you use it? Why?

I do indent my code, but I prefer to auto-indent. Using indentation to determine if a line of code falls inside or outside some logic block requires a lot more effort for me. Would much rather just use curly braces. Curly braces also make copying and pasting code blocks much easier.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by exit »

thedigitalengel wrote: post #27
nudge wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main draw for me. Compared to Python, other languages (well, some) seem to require you to do so many things that just seem... unnecessary. I couldn't believe all the junk Java required of me when I took a stab at it. It's like being confronted with some unhelpful bureaucrat: I know what I mean, they know what I mean, but they're damn well going to make me trudge through all the nonsense so that what I mea…

Java is, as I said, a toy language. A language that needs you , the client programmer, to define getFoo () and setFoo () methods manually can't be right.

c++ feels incredibly bureaucrat to me too though. like separating definition from declaration into header files.

what do you think of ooc-lang syntax? http://ooc-lang.org/

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by thedigitalengel »

thedigitalengel wrote: post #40
thejbf wrote: post #36

Languages fit you if your tasks are fitting to those languages. As far as I can see as a C/C++ programmer you should have been involved more lower-level issues rather than writing software standing on several frameworks. Java is not a toy language but it handles the stuff you were used to deal with almost automatically so it feels like it is. So what kind of programmer are you? What do you develop? These questions ar…

Currently I'm a student and question of what kind of a programmer I'm is wide open. I am currently working on a project that has to do with the GC and the JIT compiler for a language runtime. I plan to use my (remaining) student years to gain as broad a programming experience as I possibly can, not because I wish to be good at everything but so that I don't miss anything out. The whole point of this post was to find…

It seems some of the HN eats up some of the asterisks. But you get the idea.

Re: I don't like Python. Does that make me a bad person?

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Post by nailer »

alphamerik wrote: post #47
jsankey wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood this objection. Do you not indent your code anyway? If so, why should you also need to delineate scopes in another way? Python allows you to choose your indentation, it just requires consistency: something that is always required by coding standards (with good reason). If there was a command line switch, would you use it? Why?

I do indent my code, but I prefer to auto-indent. Using indentation to determine if a line of code falls inside or outside some logic block requires a lot more effort for me. Would much rather just use curly braces. Curly braces also make copying and pasting code blocks much easier.

I use auto indent on python all day. Not having to perform secondary bracket mark up is great.
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